Dear Citehrians,
I found this gem written by an officer of the Indian Army that touched my heartstrings and brought on a wave of nostalgia. In my 30 years, I had many such similar incidents. Please read and be grateful that there is still an organization that promotes brotherliness:
THE SECULAR INDIAN ARMY
"As a serving army officer, I never stop marveling at the gullibility of our countrymen to be provoked with alacrity into virulence in the name of religion. I have never heard the word 'secular' during all my service -- and yet, the simple things that are done simply in the army make it appear like an island of sanity in a sea of hatred. (The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians) In the army, each officer identifies with the religion of his troops. In regiments where the soldiers are from more than one religion, the officers -- and indeed all jawans attend the weekly religious prayers of all the faiths. How many times have I trooped out of the battalion mandir and, having worn my shoes, entered the battalion church next door? A few years ago it all became simpler -- mandirs, masjids, gurudwars, and churches began to share premises all over the army. It saved us the walk.
Perhaps it is so because the army genuinely believes in two central 'truths' -- oneness of God and victory in operations. Both are so sacred we cannot nitpick and question the basics. In fact, sometimes the army mixes up the two! On a visit to the holy cave at Amarnath a few years ago, I saw a plaque mounted on the side of the hill by a battalion that had once guarded the annual Yatra. It said, 'Best wishes from -..A..- battalion. Deployed for Operation Amarnath.
On another instance, I remember a commanding officer ordered the Battalion Maulaviji to conduct the proceedings of Janamashtmi prayers because the panditji had to proceed on leave on compassionate grounds. No eyebrows were raised. It was the most rousing and best-prepared sermon on Lord Krishna I have ever had the pleasure of listening to.
On the Line of Control, a company of Khemkhani Muslim soldiers replaced a Dogra battalion. Over the next few days, the post was shelled heavily by Pakistanis, and there were a few non-fatal casualties. One day, the junior commissioned officer of the company, Subedar Sarwar Khan walked up to the company commander Major Sharma and said, "Sahib, ever since the Dogras left, the mandir has been shut. Why don't you open it once every evening and do aarti? Why are we displeasing the gods?"
Major Sharma shamefacedly confessed he did not know all the words of the aarti. Subedar Sarwar went away, and that night, huddled over the radio set under a weak lantern light, painstakingly took down the words of the aarti from the post of another battalion!
How many of us know that along the entire border with Pakistan, our troops abstain from alcohol and non-vegetarian food on all Thursdays? The reason: It is called the Peer day -- essentially a day of religious significance for the Muslims.
In 1984, after Operation Bluestar, there was anguish in the Sikh community over the desecration of the holiest of their shrines. Some of this anger and hurt were visible in the army too.
I remember the first Sikh festival days after the event -- the number of army personnel of every religious denomination that thronged the regimental gurudwara of the nearest Sikh battalion was the largest I had seen. I distinctly remember each officer and soldier who put his forehead to the ground to pay obeisance appeared to linger just a wee bit longer than usual. Was I imagining this? I do not think so. There was that empathy and caring implicit in the quality of the gesture that appeared to say, "You are hurt, and we all understand."
We were deployed on the Line of Control those days. Soon after the news of disaffection among a small section of Sikh troops was broadcast on the BBC, Pakistani troops deployed opposite the Sikh battalion yelled across to express their 'solidarity' with the Sikhs.
The Sikh havildar shouted back that the Pakistanis had better not harbor any wrong notions. "If you dare move towards this post, we will mow you down."
Finally, a real -- and true -- gem.... Two boys of a Sikh regiment battalion were overheard discussing this a day before Christmas. "Why are we having a holiday tomorrow?" asked Sepoy Singh. "It is Christmas," replied the wiser Naik Singh. "But what is Christmas?" "Christmas," replied Naik Singh, with his eyes half shut in reverence and hands in a spontaneous prayer-clasp, "is the guruparb of the Christians."
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne:p:icon6:
From India, Bangalore
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78I found this gem written by an officer of the Indian Army that touched my heartstrings and brought on a wave of nostalgia. In my 30 years, I had many such similar incidents. Please read and be grateful that there is still an organization that promotes brotherliness:
THE SECULAR INDIAN ARMY
"As a serving army officer, I never stop marveling at the gullibility of our countrymen to be provoked with alacrity into virulence in the name of religion. I have never heard the word 'secular' during all my service -- and yet, the simple things that are done simply in the army make it appear like an island of sanity in a sea of hatred. (The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians) In the army, each officer identifies with the religion of his troops. In regiments where the soldiers are from more than one religion, the officers -- and indeed all jawans attend the weekly religious prayers of all the faiths. How many times have I trooped out of the battalion mandir and, having worn my shoes, entered the battalion church next door? A few years ago it all became simpler -- mandirs, masjids, gurudwars, and churches began to share premises all over the army. It saved us the walk.
Perhaps it is so because the army genuinely believes in two central 'truths' -- oneness of God and victory in operations. Both are so sacred we cannot nitpick and question the basics. In fact, sometimes the army mixes up the two! On a visit to the holy cave at Amarnath a few years ago, I saw a plaque mounted on the side of the hill by a battalion that had once guarded the annual Yatra. It said, 'Best wishes from -..A..- battalion. Deployed for Operation Amarnath.
On another instance, I remember a commanding officer ordered the Battalion Maulaviji to conduct the proceedings of Janamashtmi prayers because the panditji had to proceed on leave on compassionate grounds. No eyebrows were raised. It was the most rousing and best-prepared sermon on Lord Krishna I have ever had the pleasure of listening to.
On the Line of Control, a company of Khemkhani Muslim soldiers replaced a Dogra battalion. Over the next few days, the post was shelled heavily by Pakistanis, and there were a few non-fatal casualties. One day, the junior commissioned officer of the company, Subedar Sarwar Khan walked up to the company commander Major Sharma and said, "Sahib, ever since the Dogras left, the mandir has been shut. Why don't you open it once every evening and do aarti? Why are we displeasing the gods?"
Major Sharma shamefacedly confessed he did not know all the words of the aarti. Subedar Sarwar went away, and that night, huddled over the radio set under a weak lantern light, painstakingly took down the words of the aarti from the post of another battalion!
How many of us know that along the entire border with Pakistan, our troops abstain from alcohol and non-vegetarian food on all Thursdays? The reason: It is called the Peer day -- essentially a day of religious significance for the Muslims.
In 1984, after Operation Bluestar, there was anguish in the Sikh community over the desecration of the holiest of their shrines. Some of this anger and hurt were visible in the army too.
I remember the first Sikh festival days after the event -- the number of army personnel of every religious denomination that thronged the regimental gurudwara of the nearest Sikh battalion was the largest I had seen. I distinctly remember each officer and soldier who put his forehead to the ground to pay obeisance appeared to linger just a wee bit longer than usual. Was I imagining this? I do not think so. There was that empathy and caring implicit in the quality of the gesture that appeared to say, "You are hurt, and we all understand."
We were deployed on the Line of Control those days. Soon after the news of disaffection among a small section of Sikh troops was broadcast on the BBC, Pakistani troops deployed opposite the Sikh battalion yelled across to express their 'solidarity' with the Sikhs.
The Sikh havildar shouted back that the Pakistanis had better not harbor any wrong notions. "If you dare move towards this post, we will mow you down."
Finally, a real -- and true -- gem.... Two boys of a Sikh regiment battalion were overheard discussing this a day before Christmas. "Why are we having a holiday tomorrow?" asked Sepoy Singh. "It is Christmas," replied the wiser Naik Singh. "But what is Christmas?" "Christmas," replied Naik Singh, with his eyes half shut in reverence and hands in a spontaneous prayer-clasp, "is the guruparb of the Christians."
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne:p:icon6:
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Sowmini,
Thanks for the reply. There are over 50 hits, but not one has remarked. That's how secular we are. Religion and language are tearing our nation apart, but we do not have the time to stop and think, as we are selfish and more interested in seeing where the next Rupee is going to come from, even if it means treading over a few people too.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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Thanks for the reply. There are over 50 hits, but not one has remarked. That's how secular we are. Religion and language are tearing our nation apart, but we do not have the time to stop and think, as we are selfish and more interested in seeing where the next Rupee is going to come from, even if it means treading over a few people too.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Colonel,
The posting was really heart-touching. The subject line mentioned is suitable. I think you must have heard Mr. Sachin's comments at a function. He said, "He is an Indian first and then a Marathi." This is the best answer for narrow minds. Of course, your content above says the same.
I hope you have noticed a bad practice that the UPA government has implemented, i.e., counting minority soldiers in the Indian Army for the sake of the vote factory. I condemn this practice deeply.
My salute to you for serving 30 years to this great nation.
Regards, Raam
From India, Mumbai
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The posting was really heart-touching. The subject line mentioned is suitable. I think you must have heard Mr. Sachin's comments at a function. He said, "He is an Indian first and then a Marathi." This is the best answer for narrow minds. Of course, your content above says the same.
I hope you have noticed a bad practice that the UPA government has implemented, i.e., counting minority soldiers in the Indian Army for the sake of the vote factory. I condemn this practice deeply.
My salute to you for serving 30 years to this great nation.
Regards, Raam
From India, Mumbai
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Hi,
This is really heart-touching. I think an Army officer is one of the best human beings ever. Even my boss is an Ex-Army officer, and I am really inspired by him. He is a good leader, a great speaker, and has qualitative content.
Once I asked my boss, "Where are you basically from?" His answer was, "INDIA."
Hats off to all officers.
From India, Pune
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This is really heart-touching. I think an Army officer is one of the best human beings ever. Even my boss is an Ex-Army officer, and I am really inspired by him. He is a good leader, a great speaker, and has qualitative content.
Once I asked my boss, "Where are you basically from?" His answer was, "INDIA."
Hats off to all officers.
From India, Pune
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Hi Jude,
It was nice to see such an awesome email from you. I hope the citizens of the city will join together and be able to make their voices heard to these Thackerays. We always used to say that the policy of the Britishers was to divide and rule, but today our own country people are tearing apart our motherland. I am still amazed why the President of India is not responding to these kinds of statements from these uncultured politicians. They should be punished in such a manner that no one dares to speak in the name of religion again.
Jude, thanks for this beautiful email.
Regards,
Tinoy
From India, Madras
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It was nice to see such an awesome email from you. I hope the citizens of the city will join together and be able to make their voices heard to these Thackerays. We always used to say that the policy of the Britishers was to divide and rule, but today our own country people are tearing apart our motherland. I am still amazed why the President of India is not responding to these kinds of statements from these uncultured politicians. They should be punished in such a manner that no one dares to speak in the name of religion again.
Jude, thanks for this beautiful email.
Regards,
Tinoy
From India, Madras
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Awesome... awesome... awesome...
I all alone laughed continuously for minutes one day sitting before the TV. The reason was the thought which sparked in my mind.
Shah Rukh Khan was detained for hours in a US airport, and there was much fire sparking in the media throughout the day - on CNN, IBN, Times Now, etc. Lots and lots of condemnatory statements, etc.
A few days before, MNS people made a sort of lathi charge on candidates who came to write exams. The media brought it to the limelight a bit but not as fiercely as Shah Rukh's issue.
Now, who is fooling whom?
From India, Madras
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I all alone laughed continuously for minutes one day sitting before the TV. The reason was the thought which sparked in my mind.
Shah Rukh Khan was detained for hours in a US airport, and there was much fire sparking in the media throughout the day - on CNN, IBN, Times Now, etc. Lots and lots of condemnatory statements, etc.
A few days before, MNS people made a sort of lathi charge on candidates who came to write exams. The media brought it to the limelight a bit but not as fiercely as Shah Rukh's issue.
Now, who is fooling whom?
From India, Madras
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Such a nice timing for such a good post... Hope every Indian follow the philosophy of secularism as prevailed in Indian Army... Hats off to Indian Forces.. Jai Hind!!!
From India, Vadodara
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From India, Vadodara
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By Sachin bashing Bal Thackeray, has exposed his rabid fangs. Have the Shiv Sena or the MNS done something for the farmers and poor of Maharashtra? They have played with the sentiments of the poor to get richer. These rabble-rousers should be hounded out of their "thrones" and made to work in communes. There are copycat organizations coming up in other states which spell more danger than the terrorists or the Maoists.
Regards,
Colonel Jude
From India, Bangalore
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Regards,
Colonel Jude
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Citizens,
The attack by the Bal Thackeray's SS (Society Scums) is a point of debate as mentioned in my original email. A man who cannot handle criticism shows his pettiness by unleashing his rabid dogs onto a bastion of democracy (the media). Should we remain silent listeners? Let us raise our voices as Indians and not as chauvinistic state players. Please do not destroy our beautiful country that we, in the Army, have protected and kept together for so long.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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The attack by the Bal Thackeray's SS (Society Scums) is a point of debate as mentioned in my original email. A man who cannot handle criticism shows his pettiness by unleashing his rabid dogs onto a bastion of democracy (the media). Should we remain silent listeners? Let us raise our voices as Indians and not as chauvinistic state players. Please do not destroy our beautiful country that we, in the Army, have protected and kept together for so long.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Colonel Jude,
Whenever I see this thread, I never fail to log in to check out the interaction going on!! Every time I have a glance at your post, it gives me goosebumps!!! I bow my head in respect and salute all the brave men in the Army!!!
From India, Madras
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Whenever I see this thread, I never fail to log in to check out the interaction going on!! Every time I have a glance at your post, it gives me goosebumps!!! I bow my head in respect and salute all the brave men in the Army!!!
From India, Madras
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Dear Colonel Sir,
Firstly, thank you so much for sharing such a deeply touching message. I feel honored to have such brave and very human soldiers who are our real heroes.
But it pains my heart to see you sharing such a motivating and touching experience when it is the job of us civilians to be united and by doing that, motivate our soldiers. But once again, the real Indians (our armed forces) have shown us the right path and are inspiring us to be secular.
Thanks again. Hats off to you, Sir, and the forces.
Regards, Sanil Chopra
From India, Mumbai
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Firstly, thank you so much for sharing such a deeply touching message. I feel honored to have such brave and very human soldiers who are our real heroes.
But it pains my heart to see you sharing such a motivating and touching experience when it is the job of us civilians to be united and by doing that, motivate our soldiers. But once again, the real Indians (our armed forces) have shown us the right path and are inspiring us to be secular.
Thanks again. Hats off to you, Sir, and the forces.
Regards, Sanil Chopra
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir,
I appreciate your article to some extent as I believe that no entity, group, person, or individuals are responsible for spreading hatred in society.
Mentioning "The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians" in your article posted is totally misleading and encourages differences among the readers. If Thackerays' fight is against those illegal immigrants, then have a quick look at the below-mentioned facts:
1. So far 8 PMs (Nehru, LB Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chandra Shekhar, AB Vajpayee) have all come from UP. WHY could they not develop it since independence?
2. HOW come the so-called "communal" CM of Gujarat has been able to achieve the highest rate of growth in the country within a span of 5/6 years but not the "secular" CMs of UP/Bihar who ruled for more than 15/16 years?
3. UP/Bihar are amongst the richest states in terms of natural resources. WHY then TATAs, BIRLAs, or any other industrialists are not keen on setting up large industries there, even though labor is also cheaply available?
4. Amar Singh of Samajwadi Party always accompanies top celebrities/industrialists, prominent ones being Anil Ambani. WHY could he not convince them to invest in his state? Only Anil Ambani is investing something...but that's because he's promised free land.
5. It's a fact that the maximum number of Babus (IAS/IPS officers, Yadav, Gupta, Jha, Singh, Pandey, Sinha, Shrivastav, Sharma, Verma, ...) come from UP/Bihar. WHY then do these states still remain backward? Why do they want to settle down in Maharashtra? Because they and their Netas don't want to uplift their backward states to rule indiscriminately.
6. Bihar CM Nitish Kumar claims that North Indians contributed to the development of Mumbai. WHY do they not contribute to their own state's development? Why are Patna/Dhanbad the shabbiest cities in the world? (Mumbai may join them soon).
7. Thirty-Six (36) North Indians were burnt alive in Assam. WHERE were Sanjay Nirupam, Abu, Mulayam, Amar, Laloo, Maya, Jaya, Amitabh, Shatrugun, and Nitish Kumar at that time? So-called sons of the soil of UP, Bihar, MP States.
8. Bihar had the maximum number of railway ministers. WHY then are their recruitments done from Assam, Gujarat, and Mumbai?
9. It's a fact that where there's money/opportunity, people from different geo/demography rush in to make fortunes. Mumbai is one such city. Gujaratis, Marwaris, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis flocked to Mumbai for obvious reasons. The majority of these communities got into skilled, professional, business areas and prospered, contributing to Mumbai's success. However, most North Indians resort to and take pride in doing unskilled/unlawful cheap labor such as illegal hawking by occupying every nook & corner of every footpath, station areas as vegetable/fruit/sing-chana/bhel-pani puri vendors, or auto/taxi wallas without licenses. They bribe local authorities and make life of common people miserable due to congestions and rubbish. They are ruining the taxpayer's money. Of course not to mention about illegal slums. It is absurd to say that they contributed to Mumbai's development. If anything, they are retarding/deteriorating Mumbai. Can our great leaders dare say that Middle-east countries especially Dubai got developed due to laborers from India?
10. It's not sons-of-soil vs. North Indians.
Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir, it's not a personal issue, but expressing your views neglecting the facts is somewhat I didn't agree with.
I would like to extend my sincere apology if the remarks made by me would have hurt you in any manner.
From India, Mumbai
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I appreciate your article to some extent as I believe that no entity, group, person, or individuals are responsible for spreading hatred in society.
Mentioning "The Thackerays are the epitome of hatred of fellow Indians" in your article posted is totally misleading and encourages differences among the readers. If Thackerays' fight is against those illegal immigrants, then have a quick look at the below-mentioned facts:
1. So far 8 PMs (Nehru, LB Shastri, Indira Gandhi, Charan Singh, Rajiv Gandhi, VP Singh, Chandra Shekhar, AB Vajpayee) have all come from UP. WHY could they not develop it since independence?
2. HOW come the so-called "communal" CM of Gujarat has been able to achieve the highest rate of growth in the country within a span of 5/6 years but not the "secular" CMs of UP/Bihar who ruled for more than 15/16 years?
3. UP/Bihar are amongst the richest states in terms of natural resources. WHY then TATAs, BIRLAs, or any other industrialists are not keen on setting up large industries there, even though labor is also cheaply available?
4. Amar Singh of Samajwadi Party always accompanies top celebrities/industrialists, prominent ones being Anil Ambani. WHY could he not convince them to invest in his state? Only Anil Ambani is investing something...but that's because he's promised free land.
5. It's a fact that the maximum number of Babus (IAS/IPS officers, Yadav, Gupta, Jha, Singh, Pandey, Sinha, Shrivastav, Sharma, Verma, ...) come from UP/Bihar. WHY then do these states still remain backward? Why do they want to settle down in Maharashtra? Because they and their Netas don't want to uplift their backward states to rule indiscriminately.
6. Bihar CM Nitish Kumar claims that North Indians contributed to the development of Mumbai. WHY do they not contribute to their own state's development? Why are Patna/Dhanbad the shabbiest cities in the world? (Mumbai may join them soon).
7. Thirty-Six (36) North Indians were burnt alive in Assam. WHERE were Sanjay Nirupam, Abu, Mulayam, Amar, Laloo, Maya, Jaya, Amitabh, Shatrugun, and Nitish Kumar at that time? So-called sons of the soil of UP, Bihar, MP States.
8. Bihar had the maximum number of railway ministers. WHY then are their recruitments done from Assam, Gujarat, and Mumbai?
9. It's a fact that where there's money/opportunity, people from different geo/demography rush in to make fortunes. Mumbai is one such city. Gujaratis, Marwaris, South Indians, Bengalis, Punjabis, Sindhis flocked to Mumbai for obvious reasons. The majority of these communities got into skilled, professional, business areas and prospered, contributing to Mumbai's success. However, most North Indians resort to and take pride in doing unskilled/unlawful cheap labor such as illegal hawking by occupying every nook & corner of every footpath, station areas as vegetable/fruit/sing-chana/bhel-pani puri vendors, or auto/taxi wallas without licenses. They bribe local authorities and make life of common people miserable due to congestions and rubbish. They are ruining the taxpayer's money. Of course not to mention about illegal slums. It is absurd to say that they contributed to Mumbai's development. If anything, they are retarding/deteriorating Mumbai. Can our great leaders dare say that Middle-east countries especially Dubai got developed due to laborers from India?
10. It's not sons-of-soil vs. North Indians.
Dear Colonel Jude Mayne Sir, it's not a personal issue, but expressing your views neglecting the facts is somewhat I didn't agree with.
I would like to extend my sincere apology if the remarks made by me would have hurt you in any manner.
From India, Mumbai
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Dear Simmy,
If I did not accept disagreement to my opinions or thinking, then I am no better than the persons being discussed. Your reply has only earned my respect and not my hurt. My aim was to start a debate on Nationalism and why do we not discuss as Indians but as Oriyas, Bengalis, Maharashtrians, Biharis, etc. I spent this weekend with my friends in the Army at Hyderabad, and on 28 Nov the whole lot of officers had gone to the Mosque to celebrate Eid with a handful of Muslim soldiers. At the moment, there are no Muslim officers posted in that organization, but all the officers still went. In my Army unit, we had officers from all faiths, including Buddhism - but when we were in the Mandir for Shivratri or Janmashtami, I can bet you could never tell who is a Hindu or isn't.
The point I am trying to drive here is that let's not divide our people on religion, caste, language, or creed - for our country's sake. Finding fault as to what he or she has done or not done is easy - look up statistics on Google. I believe in "The Power of One" - let me do my little bit for the unity of the country and fight these divisive forces.
Simmy, I really thank you again for arousing within me a feeling that I should do more than write in CiteHR.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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If I did not accept disagreement to my opinions or thinking, then I am no better than the persons being discussed. Your reply has only earned my respect and not my hurt. My aim was to start a debate on Nationalism and why do we not discuss as Indians but as Oriyas, Bengalis, Maharashtrians, Biharis, etc. I spent this weekend with my friends in the Army at Hyderabad, and on 28 Nov the whole lot of officers had gone to the Mosque to celebrate Eid with a handful of Muslim soldiers. At the moment, there are no Muslim officers posted in that organization, but all the officers still went. In my Army unit, we had officers from all faiths, including Buddhism - but when we were in the Mandir for Shivratri or Janmashtami, I can bet you could never tell who is a Hindu or isn't.
The point I am trying to drive here is that let's not divide our people on religion, caste, language, or creed - for our country's sake. Finding fault as to what he or she has done or not done is easy - look up statistics on Google. I believe in "The Power of One" - let me do my little bit for the unity of the country and fight these divisive forces.
Simmy, I really thank you again for arousing within me a feeling that I should do more than write in CiteHR.
Regards,
Colonel Jude Mayne
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Colonel Jude Mayne,
To further the continuation of your article, I need to share a similar incident. After the 26/11 episode, a few youngsters gave roses to Traffic Police and Constables. When asked about this good deed, one of the fellows gently said, "We have gained much more respect for these people after the 26/11 incident."
And lastly, a true incident during our leisure trip to a castle in New Zealand. Our train stopped at a station, and when inquired about the long break, one of the old gentlemen promptly said, "Sachin Tendulkar is completing his 17,000 runs in ODI, so we are desperately watching for that moment to come." This is the power that could make a train halt.
From India, Mumbai
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To further the continuation of your article, I need to share a similar incident. After the 26/11 episode, a few youngsters gave roses to Traffic Police and Constables. When asked about this good deed, one of the fellows gently said, "We have gained much more respect for these people after the 26/11 incident."
And lastly, a true incident during our leisure trip to a castle in New Zealand. Our train stopped at a station, and when inquired about the long break, one of the old gentlemen promptly said, "Sachin Tendulkar is completing his 17,000 runs in ODI, so we are desperately watching for that moment to come." This is the power that could make a train halt.
From India, Mumbai
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