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I joined a company last week and surrendered all my original documents from X to Degree Certificates. I also signed a bond for Rs. 2,00,000, but they didn't give me the bond copy or offer letter. Now, I am being tormented daily for the last two days. I want to resign from this job. How can I get back my original documents? Please help me.
Sivakumar
From India, Coimbatore
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I joined a company last week and surrendered all my original documents from X to Degree Certificates. I also signed a bond for Rs. 2,00,000, but they didn't give me the bond copy or offer letter. Now, I am being tormented daily for the last two days. I want to resign from this job. How can I get back my original documents? Please help me.
Sivakumar
From India, Coimbatore
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It is regrettable to note that you have deposited all your certificates with the employer in original. You should not have made a mistake like that. I don't think that the company would give the certificates back once you resign without any intervention by some powerful official.
Also, I will not advise you to continue with such an employer who will always have a tendency to exploit you. Therefore, submit your resignation and seek assistance from the Labor Officer to collect back the certificate. Since the bond you have signed has no legal validity, the employer cannot insist that you pay the amount. If you feel that the Labor department also collaborates with the employer (as it is also observed that employers may have a good rapport with Labor departments), you will have to approach higher authorities.
Regards, Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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4483Also, I will not advise you to continue with such an employer who will always have a tendency to exploit you. Therefore, submit your resignation and seek assistance from the Labor Officer to collect back the certificate. Since the bond you have signed has no legal validity, the employer cannot insist that you pay the amount. If you feel that the Labor department also collaborates with the employer (as it is also observed that employers may have a good rapport with Labor departments), you will have to approach higher authorities.
Regards, Madhu.T.K
From India, Kannur
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Dear Mr. Kumar,
If you have not received a copy of the agreement duly signed as a token of having received the copy, legally the agreement will not hold good as there is no acceptance from your side. However, have you got a receipt from the employer while submitting all your original certificates? If your answer is 'yes', then the possibility is there to get back the same.
Please speak to the HR people, convey your intention (in writing) to leave due to unfriendly policies/environment, and ask him/them to return your original certificates. Get a receipt for the copy or send an email.
All the best,
Gopal
From India, Jaipur
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If you have not received a copy of the agreement duly signed as a token of having received the copy, legally the agreement will not hold good as there is no acceptance from your side. However, have you got a receipt from the employer while submitting all your original certificates? If your answer is 'yes', then the possibility is there to get back the same.
Please speak to the HR people, convey your intention (in writing) to leave due to unfriendly policies/environment, and ask him/them to return your original certificates. Get a receipt for the copy or send an email.
All the best,
Gopal
From India, Jaipur
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Dear Please go by the Board Moderators advice.Additionally you can seek the help of the Police Authorities. rajanassociates
From India, Bangalore
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From India, Bangalore
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Dear Sivakumar,
Please follow the steps mentioned above by Respected Madhu.T.K. If those steps fail, then lodge an FIR (General Diary) with your local Police Station about the theft of your Original Certificate by your company from your desk intentionally to harass you (give the name of that person who is harassing you). Simultaneously, you need to do something for the Police (you know what I want to say) for better results.
Regards, Jawed Alam
From India, Dhanbad
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Please follow the steps mentioned above by Respected Madhu.T.K. If those steps fail, then lodge an FIR (General Diary) with your local Police Station about the theft of your Original Certificate by your company from your desk intentionally to harass you (give the name of that person who is harassing you). Simultaneously, you need to do something for the Police (you know what I want to say) for better results.
Regards, Jawed Alam
From India, Dhanbad
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You have the right to ask for a copy of the bond. Send your written request to the management to supply you a copy of the same for your reference and record. If they refuse, that would indicate their bad intentions. You should also send a written request for the return of your original educational certificates and degree, as it would not be legally right to withhold those if your appointment letter and agreement do not contain any provision for surrendering educational certificates and degree to the employer at the time of employment. Remember, no one has the right to treat you as bonded labor.
PS Dhingra
Management & Vigilance Consultant
Dhingra Group of Consultants
New Delhi
09968076381
dcgroup1962@gmail.com
From India, Delhi
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PS Dhingra
Management & Vigilance Consultant
Dhingra Group of Consultants
New Delhi
09968076381
dcgroup1962@gmail.com
From India, Delhi
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Hello Dear,I personally feel that you need not get into the act of approaching any of the external officials and instead try to sort out the issue with the employer. It’s a present trend of taking the certificates as a security of you continuing the job till the agreed period. However, if you think that you are unable to cope up with the task given to you then. I feel it’s better to communicate on the lacking areas and your understanding on the given task. Try to sort out the issue within the company. I still believe the company HR will be matured enough to understand the issue if it is genuine and do the justice by giving back your certificates and relieving you from the contract. Regards,Avinash
From India, Hyderabad
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From India, Hyderabad
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I feel what avinash says is right.. try to slove it within your company rather going to police and wasting time.. Regards Ridhi.G
From India, Madras
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From India, Madras
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Dear All,
Looking at the matter and with due respect to the suggestions given by the various members, I just want to say that why people generally assume that the HRD would not cooperate with the candidate. I, being an HR professional, personally feel that our basic motto is to establish a win-win situation for both the employee and the employer. Why are we assuming that if the candidate wishes to resign, he would not get the original documents back? Why won't the HR people understand the employee's point of view (in case the reason sounds logical)? The last question is for Siva Kumar. Although I do not know what you mean by you getting tortured because one week's time is not sufficient enough to judge the company and the people out there, I think you must try and cope up with the situation. Try to have an open word with your seniors and sort out the matter if possible; otherwise, you should resign and try to get the original documents, which, according to me, would be handed over to you without much difficulty.
I hope the members would take the above in a positive manner and would guide me if you find anything wrong with what has been said.
Regards, Neha
From India, Jaipur
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Looking at the matter and with due respect to the suggestions given by the various members, I just want to say that why people generally assume that the HRD would not cooperate with the candidate. I, being an HR professional, personally feel that our basic motto is to establish a win-win situation for both the employee and the employer. Why are we assuming that if the candidate wishes to resign, he would not get the original documents back? Why won't the HR people understand the employee's point of view (in case the reason sounds logical)? The last question is for Siva Kumar. Although I do not know what you mean by you getting tortured because one week's time is not sufficient enough to judge the company and the people out there, I think you must try and cope up with the situation. Try to have an open word with your seniors and sort out the matter if possible; otherwise, you should resign and try to get the original documents, which, according to me, would be handed over to you without much difficulty.
I hope the members would take the above in a positive manner and would guide me if you find anything wrong with what has been said.
Regards, Neha
From India, Jaipur
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With due respect to Neha,
Usually, HR personnel do not directly contact the concerned person. They first contact their senior to pass on the information. It is the senior who usually misinterprets the request and starts harassing the candidate or asking irrelevant questions.
I will provide my own examples:
Firstly,
I was working for a leading liquor company and I was requesting my job profile letter from HR. Working in a multinational corporation, I thought I should send the request directly to the HR department, so I did. The HR department then replied to my senior in the Sales department that I was looking for the letter. The senior began asking why I needed the job profile letter, questioning whether I wanted to know about my job or work based on the sales profile he had given me.
Secondly,
Salespeople usually do not receive the holiday list directly from HR. It is the senior in the sales department who decides your holidays. At the last minute, he will approve the leave, and if a person is working far from their native place (1000 kms away), they will be left stranded.
I hope this helps clarify the issues you are facing.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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Usually, HR personnel do not directly contact the concerned person. They first contact their senior to pass on the information. It is the senior who usually misinterprets the request and starts harassing the candidate or asking irrelevant questions.
I will provide my own examples:
Firstly,
I was working for a leading liquor company and I was requesting my job profile letter from HR. Working in a multinational corporation, I thought I should send the request directly to the HR department, so I did. The HR department then replied to my senior in the Sales department that I was looking for the letter. The senior began asking why I needed the job profile letter, questioning whether I wanted to know about my job or work based on the sales profile he had given me.
Secondly,
Salespeople usually do not receive the holiday list directly from HR. It is the senior in the sales department who decides your holidays. At the last minute, he will approve the leave, and if a person is working far from their native place (1000 kms away), they will be left stranded.
I hope this helps clarify the issues you are facing.
Thank you.
From India, Pune
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To Neha,
By one week's time, how can the company judge the performance of the candidate without providing proper details about their product? They directly assign a task on the second day and ask why I am not able to complete it. When I explained that I need more time, he simply shouted at me in front of all my colleagues on the second day, calling me inefficient.
He is a Managing Director who has completed a Master's Degree in Engineering. Is this the right way to treat a person who has just joined the company? They are taking all our original certificates from Class X to Degree. If they find the person good, they lock them in for three years. Is this the right way for a company to do business even with its employees?
From India, Coimbatore
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By one week's time, how can the company judge the performance of the candidate without providing proper details about their product? They directly assign a task on the second day and ask why I am not able to complete it. When I explained that I need more time, he simply shouted at me in front of all my colleagues on the second day, calling me inefficient.
He is a Managing Director who has completed a Master's Degree in Engineering. Is this the right way to treat a person who has just joined the company? They are taking all our original certificates from Class X to Degree. If they find the person good, they lock them in for three years. Is this the right way for a company to do business even with its employees?
From India, Coimbatore
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