Dear All Seniors,
I want to share my best friend’s problem and need your suggestions
I know this person since college he was not from a strong financial background so he took education loan and did his MBA marketing from a Pune college , this college was not able to provide campus placement and as his family was dependent upon him so he had to get a job anyhow… after struggling for 3 months he joined an insurance company after working their for 6 months he got an opportunity of Assistant Manager from this big Indian bank, to get this job, he did a terrible mistake of not showing the gap between MBA & insurance firm. He was working with this Bank for last 11 months but due to recession the bank need to do lay off so did employee ref check again... then the Bank came to know that he had misrepresented his experience and issued him a show cause notice. He accepted his mistake in written, But unfortunately he got terminated.
After that he didn’t wanted to do anything wrong so he was sincerely telling truth to every company wherever he goes for interview but from the past 5 months he is unemployed. He was an excellent performer in the company and was been awarded for it but his career is ruined by his own mistake. I trust him and he was such a kindhearted person that he would go up to any extent to help anyone but now he is so depressed so dull because he doesn’t have any job, his family is dependent upon him and he also have to pay his education loan. He has lost hope from life. I really want to do something for him
My question is
1. What should he do now?
2. I know HR has some regulations which they need to follow but they could have asked him to give resignation immediatly rather than terminating him. It’s like giving death sentence to a criminal which is not a solution to stop crime.
3. Don’t you think by getting terminated a person is again been forced to do wrong because if he shows it he wont get a job so either he again misrepresent or sit unemployed.
4. Should he again do misrepresentation of exp.? Coz If he shows he is a fresher company would ask “you have a gap of 3 months after MBA then you join a company for 6 months and then again for the past 16 month you are not doing anything …why shud we take you?
Thanks for reading this, your suggestions would mean alot to someone.
Regards
Tripti
From India, Bombay
6I want to share my best friend’s problem and need your suggestions
I know this person since college he was not from a strong financial background so he took education loan and did his MBA marketing from a Pune college , this college was not able to provide campus placement and as his family was dependent upon him so he had to get a job anyhow… after struggling for 3 months he joined an insurance company after working their for 6 months he got an opportunity of Assistant Manager from this big Indian bank, to get this job, he did a terrible mistake of not showing the gap between MBA & insurance firm. He was working with this Bank for last 11 months but due to recession the bank need to do lay off so did employee ref check again... then the Bank came to know that he had misrepresented his experience and issued him a show cause notice. He accepted his mistake in written, But unfortunately he got terminated.
After that he didn’t wanted to do anything wrong so he was sincerely telling truth to every company wherever he goes for interview but from the past 5 months he is unemployed. He was an excellent performer in the company and was been awarded for it but his career is ruined by his own mistake. I trust him and he was such a kindhearted person that he would go up to any extent to help anyone but now he is so depressed so dull because he doesn’t have any job, his family is dependent upon him and he also have to pay his education loan. He has lost hope from life. I really want to do something for him
My question is
1. What should he do now?
2. I know HR has some regulations which they need to follow but they could have asked him to give resignation immediatly rather than terminating him. It’s like giving death sentence to a criminal which is not a solution to stop crime.
3. Don’t you think by getting terminated a person is again been forced to do wrong because if he shows it he wont get a job so either he again misrepresent or sit unemployed.
4. Should he again do misrepresentation of exp.? Coz If he shows he is a fresher company would ask “you have a gap of 3 months after MBA then you join a company for 6 months and then again for the past 16 month you are not doing anything …why shud we take you?
Thanks for reading this, your suggestions would mean alot to someone.
Regards
Tripti
From India, Bombay
Dear Friend
I am MBA (HR)
I have gap of 4 year between my Graduation and my Postgraduation.
AS I was working as an entraprenuer for 3 year .
After my MBA I didnt get Placement .
But I pursued an Entrepuer to give me break .
Proprieter firm small scale firm,I have got very good profile.
On the basis of which I can apply to other Big company.
I also tried to bluff ,which was almost impossible in my case.
But i droped that plan and now feel good about that .
Because now i can tell employer that I have
experience,confidence ,Education ,potential so I think next big
company should give me good operetunity inspite of my 4 years
gap.
I would like to get comments from experts about my case.
Regards
Pratap kamble:icon1:
From India, Pune
I am MBA (HR)
I have gap of 4 year between my Graduation and my Postgraduation.
AS I was working as an entraprenuer for 3 year .
After my MBA I didnt get Placement .
But I pursued an Entrepuer to give me break .
Proprieter firm small scale firm,I have got very good profile.
On the basis of which I can apply to other Big company.
I also tried to bluff ,which was almost impossible in my case.
But i droped that plan and now feel good about that .
Because now i can tell employer that I have
experience,confidence ,Education ,potential so I think next big
company should give me good operetunity inspite of my 4 years
gap.
I would like to get comments from experts about my case.
Regards
Pratap kamble:icon1:
From India, Pune
Hi,
I am manager recruitment,and if i am asked to add any comments or give any view about the above two situations i will say, Its better to be honest then to get terminated later.
Tripti: Your friend got terminated because he didnt show the experience, that is i belive a little unacceptable for me, because if person dose not sho the experience his salary will be lesser then he would have been offered after showing that experience, i believe he should have asked more questions and tried convencing the HR, incase he wasent listen to he should have approached the higher management. I am taking the fact underconsidration that he /she was a good performer.
Compney could have retained him by reducing his salary aor some other solution should have been given to him rather then termination.
What i think is he should be honest in any of the interview that he/She will give now, giving the reason for why he diodnt mentioned the experience while giving the interview of Indian Bank, and why he got terminated.
Pratap: what you did was good, you were honest in the interview thats the reason you made it. there is nothing to be ashamed of having a gap in carrer if you have a reason for it to justify that GAP.
From India, Mumbai
I am manager recruitment,and if i am asked to add any comments or give any view about the above two situations i will say, Its better to be honest then to get terminated later.
Tripti: Your friend got terminated because he didnt show the experience, that is i belive a little unacceptable for me, because if person dose not sho the experience his salary will be lesser then he would have been offered after showing that experience, i believe he should have asked more questions and tried convencing the HR, incase he wasent listen to he should have approached the higher management. I am taking the fact underconsidration that he /she was a good performer.
Compney could have retained him by reducing his salary aor some other solution should have been given to him rather then termination.
What i think is he should be honest in any of the interview that he/She will give now, giving the reason for why he diodnt mentioned the experience while giving the interview of Indian Bank, and why he got terminated.
Pratap: what you did was good, you were honest in the interview thats the reason you made it. there is nothing to be ashamed of having a gap in carrer if you have a reason for it to justify that GAP.
From India, Mumbai
Thanks for your advise Meenakshi,
1)I think u have mistaken the situation."My frnd got terminated not becz of "not showing" the exp. rather he got terminated coz of not showing the employement gap between MBA & joing his first job.
2)He had tried his level best to convince the HR of this Indian bank but as I said they were in process of laying off employees (due to recession) so they dint listened to him also their were many many employees(under scrutnee) like him and HR terminated all of them.
3) He had even requested HR that he will give resignation immediatly but not to terminate him but they said they cnt do anything as its their policy.
4) I respect your suggestion of explaning truth to companies by the time of interview(even I had suggested him the same), from the last 5 months he is telling the truth but he is still unemployed , no company is ready to take a terminated employee
Thats why the situation is so critical.
From India, Bombay
1)I think u have mistaken the situation."My frnd got terminated not becz of "not showing" the exp. rather he got terminated coz of not showing the employement gap between MBA & joing his first job.
2)He had tried his level best to convince the HR of this Indian bank but as I said they were in process of laying off employees (due to recession) so they dint listened to him also their were many many employees(under scrutnee) like him and HR terminated all of them.
3) He had even requested HR that he will give resignation immediatly but not to terminate him but they said they cnt do anything as its their policy.
4) I respect your suggestion of explaning truth to companies by the time of interview(even I had suggested him the same), from the last 5 months he is telling the truth but he is still unemployed , no company is ready to take a terminated employee
Thats why the situation is so critical.
From India, Bombay
you know HR is most ruthless job,, and everywhere now it is jungle rule, you need to crush others then only you can survive, else you will die.
From India, Pune
From India, Pune
Dear Tripti, Tell your friend to contact me at and send his CV to me at ok... Dinesh V Divekar
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Hi Tripti,
There is a difference between being honest and being brutally honest. If I were a prospective employer and your friend informed me s/he was terminated due to mis-representation of facts, no matter how good s/he is I would have second thoughts about hiring her/him - there are some things better left unsaid or tactfully answered.
The following is not a guide to cheat a prospective employer, but as I said, being brutally honest may not be the right way:
1. Your friend need not provide false information about his experience. S/he should show the 3 month gap, the 6 month and 11 month experience at the firms s/he worked.
2. The reason for leaving the last organization could be mentioned as forced separation due to lay-offs instead of using the word termination - and certainly no explanations, please.
3. The 5 month no job period should also be shown.
4. Ask her/him to get 2-3 references, preferably from her/his last employer(s) or college to assure the prospective employer of her/his ability.
I hope this helps,
Neeraj K. Singh
From India, Mumbai
There is a difference between being honest and being brutally honest. If I were a prospective employer and your friend informed me s/he was terminated due to mis-representation of facts, no matter how good s/he is I would have second thoughts about hiring her/him - there are some things better left unsaid or tactfully answered.
The following is not a guide to cheat a prospective employer, but as I said, being brutally honest may not be the right way:
1. Your friend need not provide false information about his experience. S/he should show the 3 month gap, the 6 month and 11 month experience at the firms s/he worked.
2. The reason for leaving the last organization could be mentioned as forced separation due to lay-offs instead of using the word termination - and certainly no explanations, please.
3. The 5 month no job period should also be shown.
4. Ask her/him to get 2-3 references, preferably from her/his last employer(s) or college to assure the prospective employer of her/his ability.
I hope this helps,
Neeraj K. Singh
From India, Mumbai
tripti if your frnd is a mktg guy plz ask him to send his cv for a mktg posion in pune. i work for a solar manufacturing company and we have a vacancy at pune. 09342281764
From India, Bangalore
From India, Bangalore
Nice to see that Citehr come across to help tripti's friend this is the only reaon i like this cite most, ask your friend to mention that due to recession and lay off he lost his job , tell him to prepare for banking as lot of banking job are coming in the market.
Regards
Shine
From India, Bhopal
Regards
Shine
From India, Bhopal
hi
I DONT KNOW WHETHER THIS PLACE IS RIGHT OR WRONG TO POST THIS QUERY.IF THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE THEN PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ITS RIGHT PLACE.
i am imran.i want to persue mba in hr(full time).along with this i also want to do LLB(crosspondence).is it possible to do this? Is this a right idea?and after this what kind of job i can get.
please reply its urgent. e-mail
.
From India, Deoghar
I DONT KNOW WHETHER THIS PLACE IS RIGHT OR WRONG TO POST THIS QUERY.IF THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT PLACE THEN PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ITS RIGHT PLACE.
i am imran.i want to persue mba in hr(full time).along with this i also want to do LLB(crosspondence).is it possible to do this? Is this a right idea?and after this what kind of job i can get.
please reply its urgent. e-mail
From India, Deoghar
Community Support and Knowledge-base on business, career and organisational prospects and issues - Register and Log In to CiteHR and post your query, download formats and be part of a fostered community of professionals.
Job Description - HR & Admin.doc
SKILLS YOU REQUIRE TO BAG THE JOB YOUWANT.pptx