Hi,
My brother want to reduce his work experience and salary, is it fine to show less work experience or will it cause any problem to him.
As he has 11 years of experience and due to personal reasons he want to have less salary. Currently due to this reason he has left his job so as he can show himself unemployeed and which can help him to get a new job of low salary
As he is from Software field with 11 years of experience if he tries for new job he will get management jobs, so if he show less work experience of 7 years then he can get Software development jobs too.
So just want to know whether showing 7 years experience would cause any legal problems in his career like getting Visa, going onsite as he has already gone onsite couple of times. Also will it cause any problem for Employee Verification or anything else..
Could anyone let me know about it, so as i can advice him accordingly
Thanks & Regards
Janavi
From India, Mumbai
My brother want to reduce his work experience and salary, is it fine to show less work experience or will it cause any problem to him.
As he has 11 years of experience and due to personal reasons he want to have less salary. Currently due to this reason he has left his job so as he can show himself unemployeed and which can help him to get a new job of low salary
As he is from Software field with 11 years of experience if he tries for new job he will get management jobs, so if he show less work experience of 7 years then he can get Software development jobs too.
So just want to know whether showing 7 years experience would cause any legal problems in his career like getting Visa, going onsite as he has already gone onsite couple of times. Also will it cause any problem for Employee Verification or anything else..
Could anyone let me know about it, so as i can advice him accordingly
Thanks & Regards
Janavi
From India, Mumbai
Dear Janavi,
Can I please suggest a simple and easy solution? A solution that won't make you guys think whether this is legal or that is legal or not?
Why not make the resume factual but inform future recruiters that your brother is not interested in roles that match his experience. Instead, he is seeking junior roles for personal reasons!
Doesn't this make more sense?
Sure you may get some responses stating that your brother is over-qualified and thus not suitable for the job. But, at least those where he does get selected, he won't be looking over his shoulders or worrying whether his new employer will find out or not.
And, the critical feature of my response is not whether his employer will find out or not. The truth is that Your Brother KNOWS! So, any new professional relationship he will commence will essentially be built upon a foundation of lies and fibs! And, believe me, that is no way to live.
Instead, be upfront about your terms and conditions. You don't owe anyone any explanation why you are doing what you are doing. And, when you do find an organisation that is okay with an over qualified person in an assignment, you won't have to worry about whether or not he will get busted by the BGCs etc...
This is my suggestion. If it isn't the general direction that your brother or you are looking forward to, then I suppose you wait for others to respond.
Either way, All the Best to Your Brother!
From India, Gurgaon
95Can I please suggest a simple and easy solution? A solution that won't make you guys think whether this is legal or that is legal or not?
Why not make the resume factual but inform future recruiters that your brother is not interested in roles that match his experience. Instead, he is seeking junior roles for personal reasons!
Doesn't this make more sense?
Sure you may get some responses stating that your brother is over-qualified and thus not suitable for the job. But, at least those where he does get selected, he won't be looking over his shoulders or worrying whether his new employer will find out or not.
And, the critical feature of my response is not whether his employer will find out or not. The truth is that Your Brother KNOWS! So, any new professional relationship he will commence will essentially be built upon a foundation of lies and fibs! And, believe me, that is no way to live.
Instead, be upfront about your terms and conditions. You don't owe anyone any explanation why you are doing what you are doing. And, when you do find an organisation that is okay with an over qualified person in an assignment, you won't have to worry about whether or not he will get busted by the BGCs etc...
This is my suggestion. If it isn't the general direction that your brother or you are looking forward to, then I suppose you wait for others to respond.
Either way, All the Best to Your Brother!
From India, Gurgaon
Gaurav has given you sound advice which is based on ethics. While applying for jobs, your brother should enclose a covering letter clearly explaining the situation, that is that he is more interested in software development jobs rather than managerial. However, he may find that he will be working for managers who are younger and less experienced than himself and that could pose a problem.
From United Kingdom
From United Kingdom
Thanks Gaurav
After your suggestion i too feel my brother should show full experience of 11 years and mention upfront of getting a job in development field.
Also just want to know as he has already taken admission for Executive MBA can he mention about it as the reason for low salary job so as he wants to concentrate on Executive MBA.
Thanks & Regards
Jananvi
From India, Mumbai
After your suggestion i too feel my brother should show full experience of 11 years and mention upfront of getting a job in development field.
Also just want to know as he has already taken admission for Executive MBA can he mention about it as the reason for low salary job so as he wants to concentrate on Executive MBA.
Thanks & Regards
Jananvi
From India, Mumbai
Dear Jananvi,
From you latest post it appears that your brother does not want managerial posts as they may not give him enough time to pursue his MBA. It is always prudent and appreciated too if candidates are frank in their statement as to why they are seeking certain types of jobs.
From United Kingdom
From you latest post it appears that your brother does not want managerial posts as they may not give him enough time to pursue his MBA. It is always prudent and appreciated too if candidates are frank in their statement as to why they are seeking certain types of jobs.
From United Kingdom
Hello Janavi,
Gaurav Sareen & Simhan have covered the ethical aspects of your query very well.
However, I think there are glaring fallacies/contradictions in the situation of your brother--AS you mentioned.
You mention that he IS NOT interested in managerial roles/jobs--then why is he doing MBA?
With 11 yrs IT experience, I am sure your brother ought to know that MOST software companies have DIFFERENT STREAMS for those wishing to pursue/stick to the core s/w development line & for those wishing to get into managerial roles. Then why is he contemplating REDUCING his exp?
While granting that it's HIS wish to focus on what line/role he wants to choose in his career, maybe it would be MORE better if you mention the reasons WHY he wants to get into LOWER-LEVEL jobs--when the general/logical step for anyone would be to graduate higher in his/her career. Maybe he feels that THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION for whatever problem/limitation he has--based on his narrow view-point? Just give this a thought.
Once you discuss THE ACTUAL PROBLEM rather than the conclusion arrived at by your brother, it's very likely the members CAN show other ways to tackle the issue/problem.
A few queries here:
1] Is your brother an introvert--not liking to interact with others?
2] Were there any specific situations/experiences @ his work or home that led him to come to this conclusion--meaning this being the 'result/consequence' of an experience rather than the 'cause' for his viewpoint?
3] This line is the reason for my comment about the ACTUAL PROBLEM '.......left his job so as he can show himself unemployeed and which can help him to get a new job of low salary'. With 11 yrs exp & assuming you are into HR yourself, you can realize how tough it is to get a job WHEN HE/SHE IS NOT WORKING--needlessly creating the scope for lots of justifications & very high possibility of faking/lying. This is what, I think, Gaurav Sareen & Simhan were trying to point out to, from the ethical angle.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Gaurav Sareen & Simhan have covered the ethical aspects of your query very well.
However, I think there are glaring fallacies/contradictions in the situation of your brother--AS you mentioned.
You mention that he IS NOT interested in managerial roles/jobs--then why is he doing MBA?
With 11 yrs IT experience, I am sure your brother ought to know that MOST software companies have DIFFERENT STREAMS for those wishing to pursue/stick to the core s/w development line & for those wishing to get into managerial roles. Then why is he contemplating REDUCING his exp?
While granting that it's HIS wish to focus on what line/role he wants to choose in his career, maybe it would be MORE better if you mention the reasons WHY he wants to get into LOWER-LEVEL jobs--when the general/logical step for anyone would be to graduate higher in his/her career. Maybe he feels that THIS IS THE ONLY SOLUTION for whatever problem/limitation he has--based on his narrow view-point? Just give this a thought.
Once you discuss THE ACTUAL PROBLEM rather than the conclusion arrived at by your brother, it's very likely the members CAN show other ways to tackle the issue/problem.
A few queries here:
1] Is your brother an introvert--not liking to interact with others?
2] Were there any specific situations/experiences @ his work or home that led him to come to this conclusion--meaning this being the 'result/consequence' of an experience rather than the 'cause' for his viewpoint?
3] This line is the reason for my comment about the ACTUAL PROBLEM '.......left his job so as he can show himself unemployeed and which can help him to get a new job of low salary'. With 11 yrs exp & assuming you are into HR yourself, you can realize how tough it is to get a job WHEN HE/SHE IS NOT WORKING--needlessly creating the scope for lots of justifications & very high possibility of faking/lying. This is what, I think, Gaurav Sareen & Simhan were trying to point out to, from the ethical angle.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Hi TS
You are right no one want to go down the ladder in there career, but there are circumstances when we have to take such decisions.
My brother too is going through bad phase of life(Marital problems) so due to which his life is screwed up so only he has taken the dicision to leave the job. Everyone from the family are with him for the decision made, we want him to come out of this bad phase.
We know it is very difficult to get a job and that too with higher experience, so only he is going to do EMBA.
Due to this reason only he was planning to show less experience so as he can get less salary and parallely can concentrate on MBA which in future probably will help him to get a good job, may not be a good job as he had earlier.
Due to this reasons i wanted to know whether he will be in any legal problems if he shows less experience, as already he is in lot of personal problems.
Thanks & Regards
Janavi
From India, Mumbai
You are right no one want to go down the ladder in there career, but there are circumstances when we have to take such decisions.
My brother too is going through bad phase of life(Marital problems) so due to which his life is screwed up so only he has taken the dicision to leave the job. Everyone from the family are with him for the decision made, we want him to come out of this bad phase.
We know it is very difficult to get a job and that too with higher experience, so only he is going to do EMBA.
Due to this reason only he was planning to show less experience so as he can get less salary and parallely can concentrate on MBA which in future probably will help him to get a good job, may not be a good job as he had earlier.
Due to this reasons i wanted to know whether he will be in any legal problems if he shows less experience, as already he is in lot of personal problems.
Thanks & Regards
Janavi
From India, Mumbai
Dear Janavi,
Had you given the whole information in the first place, we could have avoided surmising the reasons and given an apt succint response.
He need not say what problems but can say he has family problems and, hence, he does not need roles which require him to go abroad, etc and also he would like to pursue EMBA to prepare himself for better roles at a later date.
It is far better to be open than tell lies and have to face serious consequences later.
From United Kingdom
Had you given the whole information in the first place, we could have avoided surmising the reasons and given an apt succint response.
He need not say what problems but can say he has family problems and, hence, he does not need roles which require him to go abroad, etc and also he would like to pursue EMBA to prepare himself for better roles at a later date.
It is far better to be open than tell lies and have to face serious consequences later.
From United Kingdom
Hello Janavi,
Simhan has mentioned it right--'....far better to be open than tell lies and have to face serious consequences later'.
In a single line: "Only Truth can always stand alone--a lie ALWAYS needs an accomplice".
The irony & funny part of life is that we always think we can handle 'future' problems/consequences that arise out of choices/decisions made NOW, when we don't even know what the future can actually bring-up.
You are focusing on the 'legal' problems, while we are pointing-out the PRACTICAL problems.
Coming to your brother's situation, suggest go thru the thread mentioned below--with minor changes, the suggestions in it should work for him too.
https://www.citehr.com/406243-hiding...-employer.html
If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to post them here.
Convey our All the Best to your brother.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
Simhan has mentioned it right--'....far better to be open than tell lies and have to face serious consequences later'.
In a single line: "Only Truth can always stand alone--a lie ALWAYS needs an accomplice".
The irony & funny part of life is that we always think we can handle 'future' problems/consequences that arise out of choices/decisions made NOW, when we don't even know what the future can actually bring-up.
You are focusing on the 'legal' problems, while we are pointing-out the PRACTICAL problems.
Coming to your brother's situation, suggest go thru the thread mentioned below--with minor changes, the suggestions in it should work for him too.
https://www.citehr.com/406243-hiding...-employer.html
If you have any further queries, don't hesitate to post them here.
Convey our All the Best to your brother.
Rgds,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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