A one or two-sentence article. Certifications make the certifying authority (who is really a businessman) rich and make you poor and stupid.
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@ Sathyaish—what you mentioned is true—that they don't enhance the skills. But the basic purpose of the certifications is quite different—to give some semblance of benchmarking to the prospective employers in these days where many persons have made it a habit of overrating themselves in any given field/skill.
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@ Sathyaish—what you mentioned is true—that they don't enhance the skills. But the basic purpose of the certifications is quite different—to give some semblance of benchmarking to the prospective employers in these days where many persons have made it a habit of overrating themselves in any given field/skill.
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As TS has pointed out, it helps organizations to decide on whom to engage. Additionally, for some applications, such as the use of MBTI (Myers & Brigg Type Indicator) Personality Type assessment, getting certified is mandatory. The developers of such instruments have spent a lot of time and effort, and they are looking for returns on their investment.
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Not much to add beyond the point, really.
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An extreme opinion! Well, we know that many successful people were dropouts from schools or colleges, but that does not mean that the converse would be true. It is an exception that those few were exceptionally brilliant in their focused subjects and became successful.
Certification is useful for others to understand and form an opinion about someone's basic level of understanding. That said, it is also important to consider the credentials of the institute that is offering the certificate. Given the craze of people for certificates, it is likely that unscrupulous elements would enter the 'market'. Therefore, choosing the right institution would make a difference. It is safer to join university-approved courses conducted by colleges (e.g., Management/Media, etc.) for learning. Armed with the basic knowledge, one can develop through 'On the Job' training, as others can provide knowledge, but developing skills and acquiring wisdom is a personal journey.
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Certification is useful for others to understand and form an opinion about someone's basic level of understanding. That said, it is also important to consider the credentials of the institute that is offering the certificate. Given the craze of people for certificates, it is likely that unscrupulous elements would enter the 'market'. Therefore, choosing the right institution would make a difference. It is safer to join university-approved courses conducted by colleges (e.g., Management/Media, etc.) for learning. Armed with the basic knowledge, one can develop through 'On the Job' training, as others can provide knowledge, but developing skills and acquiring wisdom is a personal journey.
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Today, every Tom, Dick, and Harry is providing some certification or the other. I get lots of spam about certifications. They are all crying out loud that they are dishonest tricksters.
I don't believe in certifications at all.
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I don't believe in certifications at all.
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What's also funny and interesting is that most of the emails I get about them are not well-written. They appear to be written and sent and signed by someone who themselves isn't great at communication. Wonder what they'll be certifying you for. It's just a vehicle to get some cash out of gullible people.
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@ Tajsateesh:
Absolutely true. The reason a company wants even a couple of references (character/work certification) from a new incumbent is for some semblance of certification. In the presence of a certificate, there is a clue that the person has some credentials; in the absence of it, well, there would be a reluctance to believe. Whether the approach is right or wrong becomes a moot point, but it is largely inevitable and followed consistently.
People realized a long time back that there is money in education. Looking at the compulsions of the working class being unable to join full-time, university-conducted courses, part-time, convenient time, no attendance necessary-postal courses mushroomed. They have to reach people in large numbers to tap/trap students. I agree with Sathyaish as many of us would be getting such emails: bombarding communication (fundamental principle of marketing). Most of them could belong to the fraudulent clan. Elegant Institutes like the IITs or leading business schools would rarely do it this way. There could be many reasonably good in-between institutes!
Hence, to me, a certificate has no viable substitute in the prevailing situation. Choosing the course or the institute is in our hands. Learning from a structured course to acquire knowledge helps in individual development, creating opportunities, which ultimately helps sharpen skills to gain wisdom (through practice only).
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Absolutely true. The reason a company wants even a couple of references (character/work certification) from a new incumbent is for some semblance of certification. In the presence of a certificate, there is a clue that the person has some credentials; in the absence of it, well, there would be a reluctance to believe. Whether the approach is right or wrong becomes a moot point, but it is largely inevitable and followed consistently.
People realized a long time back that there is money in education. Looking at the compulsions of the working class being unable to join full-time, university-conducted courses, part-time, convenient time, no attendance necessary-postal courses mushroomed. They have to reach people in large numbers to tap/trap students. I agree with Sathyaish as many of us would be getting such emails: bombarding communication (fundamental principle of marketing). Most of them could belong to the fraudulent clan. Elegant Institutes like the IITs or leading business schools would rarely do it this way. There could be many reasonably good in-between institutes!
Hence, to me, a certificate has no viable substitute in the prevailing situation. Choosing the course or the institute is in our hands. Learning from a structured course to acquire knowledge helps in individual development, creating opportunities, which ultimately helps sharpen skills to gain wisdom (through practice only).
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I am also saying that the very reputable institutes you mention, that everyone has adored for years and run after, are businesses. There are no separate people who are a fraud. A con never goes out to say, "I am going to con some people today." The first person a con cons is himself. He cons himself into the con, and thus becomes the agent of the con.
If that's a little too wordy to understand, let me re-phrase it: People who are vehicles of the marketing of education are not bad. They are themselves innocent and gullible people who have become instruments in the hands of a few businessmen who are the truly culpable perpetrators.
Also, education is a single person process. You don't need to go anywhere or to anyone to have it. (Tiny Post: Institutionalized Education Is A Scam)
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If that's a little too wordy to understand, let me re-phrase it: People who are vehicles of the marketing of education are not bad. They are themselves innocent and gullible people who have become instruments in the hands of a few businessmen who are the truly culpable perpetrators.
Also, education is a single person process. You don't need to go anywhere or to anyone to have it. (Tiny Post: Institutionalized Education Is A Scam)
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Yes. Certificatiosn are a bid business and a scam. This is no different from government creating rules for tehir approval and extarcting a price for eh approval
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I couldn't agree more with you, dfc9fc9a5a2add958475eb16e. Here's the message again, in different words.
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Yes. Certifications are a big business, orchestrated by academic institutions or those who profess to possess academic credentials to build up their credibility in the certifications market. Certifying agencies are an ingenious creation of the academic community, businesses, consultants, and the unfortunate victims: the target companies and individual professionals.
An idea is proposed, similar to that of a criminal gang. Heavy bombardment using the press, high-decibel seminars, followers, and admirers created by the same community, building up hype through the media, making certification mandatory through policy intervention by any means possible, limiting the validity of certification to one year or less to ensure repeat business from a captive market, and expanding using approved franchisees (another business). Once this strategy fades, new versions of the certifications are introduced where the old one loses validity and charm in the market. This is akin to product innovations to align with product/business life cycle theory, and the game continues.
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An idea is proposed, similar to that of a criminal gang. Heavy bombardment using the press, high-decibel seminars, followers, and admirers created by the same community, building up hype through the media, making certification mandatory through policy intervention by any means possible, limiting the validity of certification to one year or less to ensure repeat business from a captive market, and expanding using approved franchisees (another business). Once this strategy fades, new versions of the certifications are introduced where the old one loses validity and charm in the market. This is akin to product innovations to align with product/business life cycle theory, and the game continues.
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I am impressed, dfc9fc9a5a2add958475eb16e. You have put the whole catalog on the table. That's precisely it. If there was an award for posts, I'd give it to this post of yours.
You are so right about everything you said.
They target groups/companies. You know why? Because it is easier to fool a group of people than to fool them individually because as individuals, we can think, we can think of our own good and make decisions; groups can't think. Collectives are ineffective.
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And you are so right about their setting a validity for the certification so as to get repeat business. What a crude form of business! It is so apparent from this that certifications are worthless instruments of a con.
To those that think that a certification provides some kind of assurance about skill, I beg to differ. I'd be very wary of being operated by a surgeon just because he had some certification.
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You are so right about everything you said.
They target groups/companies. You know why? Because it is easier to fool a group of people than to fool them individually because as individuals, we can think, we can think of our own good and make decisions; groups can't think. Collectives are ineffective.
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And you are so right about their setting a validity for the certification so as to get repeat business. What a crude form of business! It is so apparent from this that certifications are worthless instruments of a con.
To those that think that a certification provides some kind of assurance about skill, I beg to differ. I'd be very wary of being operated by a surgeon just because he had some certification.
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They have tried to turn the education system into an assembly line. I wish innocent people whom they target could see through them and see all this.
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That is also why I get very angry when I see the kinds of posts made here like this one and many others like it.
Someone who has to conduct a training program asks everyone for some material. What a sham! Training is supposed to be done by someone who is good at the subject and can teach it well.
What is the use of being trained by someone if that person himself got the material from you?
That's called an assembly line. Someone makes the PPT, someone makes another handout document, someone else stands in the classroom and vomits out whatever he memorized, and someone else in the training department checks/ticks a box that they have delivered training to their employees on such and such a topic. Assembly line. That's not training. That's a sad, bloody joke that's happening everywhere.
That is why companies have lost faith in training. Because they themselves treat it like a joke. They have never really had a training at their premises even when they think they have.
Real training is done by someone who is good at a subject, and then you give them complete freedom to do it.
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Someone who has to conduct a training program asks everyone for some material. What a sham! Training is supposed to be done by someone who is good at the subject and can teach it well.
What is the use of being trained by someone if that person himself got the material from you?
That's called an assembly line. Someone makes the PPT, someone makes another handout document, someone else stands in the classroom and vomits out whatever he memorized, and someone else in the training department checks/ticks a box that they have delivered training to their employees on such and such a topic. Assembly line. That's not training. That's a sad, bloody joke that's happening everywhere.
That is why companies have lost faith in training. Because they themselves treat it like a joke. They have never really had a training at their premises even when they think they have.
Real training is done by someone who is good at a subject, and then you give them complete freedom to do it.
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The thread I was referring to in my previous post was this one: https://www.citehr.com/49358-voice-accent.html
That's just one sample of the many threads we see on this board, and such behavior is encouraged. Now, I ignore these posts. When I had joined this forum, I used to reply back urging the original poster to think for themselves.
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That's just one sample of the many threads we see on this board, and such behavior is encouraged. Now, I ignore these posts. When I had joined this forum, I used to reply back urging the original poster to think for themselves.
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Ok Sathyaish.
Firstly, I do not know how many people have bothered to read the content on your website for this Scam - 2 post.
I did. And I found no content. Just Lorem Ipsum.
Without valid content to read, people like me tend to assume that you are just abusing your privileges of posting links to create more hits for your website.
Let's give you the benefit of doubt and assume that when you posted, you had content and then something went wrong on the website. Happens.
As I see from your website, you offer training programs on various topics.
So what is the difference between you and those who offer certifications, especially those who offer certifications that have become industry standards? Take, for example, Film Institute in Pune, National School of Drama in the field of acting. Take, for example, Microsoft certification trainings.
What is the difference between what these people offer and your trainings?
These other people who offer certifications are holding themselves accountable to a certain level of standard that has been accepted as norms in the industry. How can anyone assess whether someone's training is up to a level of standard in the absence of "reputed" and "established" certifications like PRISM, PMI, etc.
Besides, I do not see much of an argument in the case presented in your post. As I see each of your three posts, it lacks any worthwhile content.
I have attached screenshots of the 3 posts on your website that you have referred to in this thread. They are good short paragraphs in 2 to 3 lines. However, they are nothing more than rants without any valid debate. Sensational but baseless.
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Firstly, I do not know how many people have bothered to read the content on your website for this Scam - 2 post.
I did. And I found no content. Just Lorem Ipsum.
Without valid content to read, people like me tend to assume that you are just abusing your privileges of posting links to create more hits for your website.
Let's give you the benefit of doubt and assume that when you posted, you had content and then something went wrong on the website. Happens.
As I see from your website, you offer training programs on various topics.
So what is the difference between you and those who offer certifications, especially those who offer certifications that have become industry standards? Take, for example, Film Institute in Pune, National School of Drama in the field of acting. Take, for example, Microsoft certification trainings.
What is the difference between what these people offer and your trainings?
These other people who offer certifications are holding themselves accountable to a certain level of standard that has been accepted as norms in the industry. How can anyone assess whether someone's training is up to a level of standard in the absence of "reputed" and "established" certifications like PRISM, PMI, etc.
Besides, I do not see much of an argument in the case presented in your post. As I see each of your three posts, it lacks any worthwhile content.
I have attached screenshots of the 3 posts on your website that you have referred to in this thread. They are good short paragraphs in 2 to 3 lines. However, they are nothing more than rants without any valid debate. Sensational but baseless.
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Today's training has reduced to reading from a PowerPoint presentation made by someone picked up from the internet. The trainer believes that training is a drama enacted in an air-conditioned environment to entertain a group of uncomfortable, disinterested, and troublesome elements in the department, sponsored by their bosses because he just doesn't want them there for some time. During that time, he can get his agenda through.
The trainer arrives clothed in formal suits, behaves like a clown, and tries to appease the audience by saying whatever he says is right to get a good rating at the end of the program. If you haven't made them laugh, you are not a good trainer. Who cares about the output and outcome if the trainees had some entertainment? The organization is happy that they have something to put in their monthly newsletter, their intranet, and YouTube. They report to shareholders on actions taken on employee care... a well-orchestrated drama at the cost of shareholders.
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The trainer arrives clothed in formal suits, behaves like a clown, and tries to appease the audience by saying whatever he says is right to get a good rating at the end of the program. If you haven't made them laugh, you are not a good trainer. Who cares about the output and outcome if the trainees had some entertainment? The organization is happy that they have something to put in their monthly newsletter, their intranet, and YouTube. They report to shareholders on actions taken on employee care... a well-orchestrated drama at the cost of shareholders.
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Dear Satyaish, I wonder whether companies are asking you if you are certified before they engage you!!
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Dear dfc9fc9a5a2add958475eb16e;1999337,
Today, training has reduced to reading from a PowerPoint presentation made by someone picked up from the internet. The trainer believes that training is a drama enacted in an air-conditioned environment to entertain a group of uncomfortable, disinterested, and troublesome elements in the department, sponsored by their bosses because he just doesn't want them there for some time. During that time, he can get his agenda through. The trainer arrives clothed in formal suits, behaves like a clown, and tries to appease the audience by saying whatever he says is right to get a good rating at the end of the program. If you haven't made them laugh, you are not a good trainer. Who cares about the output and outcome if the trainees had some entertainment? The organization is happy that they have something to put in their monthly newsletter, their intranet, and YouTube, to report to shareholders on actions taken on employee care... a well-orchestrated drama at the cost of shareholders.
Valid points. Needless to say that certification or no certification - there are trainers like these out there making a fool of themselves, and instead of criticizing them, what's certification got to do with it?
Thank you.
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Today, training has reduced to reading from a PowerPoint presentation made by someone picked up from the internet. The trainer believes that training is a drama enacted in an air-conditioned environment to entertain a group of uncomfortable, disinterested, and troublesome elements in the department, sponsored by their bosses because he just doesn't want them there for some time. During that time, he can get his agenda through. The trainer arrives clothed in formal suits, behaves like a clown, and tries to appease the audience by saying whatever he says is right to get a good rating at the end of the program. If you haven't made them laugh, you are not a good trainer. Who cares about the output and outcome if the trainees had some entertainment? The organization is happy that they have something to put in their monthly newsletter, their intranet, and YouTube, to report to shareholders on actions taken on employee care... a well-orchestrated drama at the cost of shareholders.
Valid points. Needless to say that certification or no certification - there are trainers like these out there making a fool of themselves, and instead of criticizing them, what's certification got to do with it?
Thank you.
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Clearly, Mr. Anil, you did not get the intention of the Lorem Ipsum post. If people were as offended as you are, you wouldn't see the number of shares on that page. People got it. You didn't.
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My dear Satyaish, all your threads have been posted with the intention of DRIVING TRAFFIC to your website; with teasers and catchy headlines and a LINK to your websites. All other posts from you are in response and posted on your threads only; and create more controversies and offensive responses so as to drive more and more traffic to your site. It is not very encouraging to find you have been posting threads/posts in CiteHR.com solely for the purpose of PROMOTING your blog/website.
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Dear Mr. Raj Kumar,
I do not deny that my posts drive traffic to my website, and my intention is to promote myself. I am actually proud of that and see nothing wrong in that, as it is also a part of this forum's policies to allow posts of promotion. Furthermore, my posts have contributed to the content of your forum and have engaged many users in discussion. Finally, I do engage in discussions around my posts, and your forum does benefit from that. I do not see why someone would have issues with that.
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I do not deny that my posts drive traffic to my website, and my intention is to promote myself. I am actually proud of that and see nothing wrong in that, as it is also a part of this forum's policies to allow posts of promotion. Furthermore, my posts have contributed to the content of your forum and have engaged many users in discussion. Finally, I do engage in discussions around my posts, and your forum does benefit from that. I do not see why someone would have issues with that.
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That is how communities are built — by mutual exchange. I bring in content. You give me traffic. It’s a fair bargain.
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Dear Mr. Sathyaish,
Sharing an opinion or a generic view is entirely different from educating the world. An opinion needs relevant data to back it up. If you had an opinion about training certification, it would have been a valid point had you backed it with data from training companies who are contributing to such scams. An open statement finger points to everyone who is working in the sector, including the genuine and the renowned ones.
To Mr. Raj Kumar's point, the contribution to our community can be best explained by Narshimhan, Samvedan, Sateesh, and Raj Kumar's posts. They have been endlessly mentoring us without any self-promotion. It took me more than a year to know about Simhan's work. Meeting Samvedan was a dream come true; he's been my mentor since then. They have more than three decades of work and are extremely well respected by the industry leaders. Yet, they never promote their laurels. Satheesh is a very senior leader, yet remains so amiable and approachable, absolutely without any airs. Raj Kumar responds to the queries, even in the dead of the night! They don't even mention details about their education and work in the profile section, which is a natural platform in this community.
Self-promotion is a culture, which has a merit of its own. However, this community is about contributing anonymously. It's one of its kind.
When your solution to a member's question is good, you may not need to promote yourself, as you are already establishing your skills with it. Intent and knowledge are best promoted through work. Adding your website to your signature will serve the purpose of making your digital footprint visible. Please avoid sharing it within the post.
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Sharing an opinion or a generic view is entirely different from educating the world. An opinion needs relevant data to back it up. If you had an opinion about training certification, it would have been a valid point had you backed it with data from training companies who are contributing to such scams. An open statement finger points to everyone who is working in the sector, including the genuine and the renowned ones.
To Mr. Raj Kumar's point, the contribution to our community can be best explained by Narshimhan, Samvedan, Sateesh, and Raj Kumar's posts. They have been endlessly mentoring us without any self-promotion. It took me more than a year to know about Simhan's work. Meeting Samvedan was a dream come true; he's been my mentor since then. They have more than three decades of work and are extremely well respected by the industry leaders. Yet, they never promote their laurels. Satheesh is a very senior leader, yet remains so amiable and approachable, absolutely without any airs. Raj Kumar responds to the queries, even in the dead of the night! They don't even mention details about their education and work in the profile section, which is a natural platform in this community.
Self-promotion is a culture, which has a merit of its own. However, this community is about contributing anonymously. It's one of its kind.
When your solution to a member's question is good, you may not need to promote yourself, as you are already establishing your skills with it. Intent and knowledge are best promoted through work. Adding your website to your signature will serve the purpose of making your digital footprint visible. Please avoid sharing it within the post.
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Hello Sathyaish,
Going through the postings by you and other members in the past couple of days, I suggest looking at your attempts from a few different points of view.
There's nothing wrong with self-promotion per se. There are two ways one does this exercise—based on self-strengths or based on the weaknesses/lacunae/wrongs (or in the worst-case scenario—denigration) of others. You seem to have chosen the latter method. Strictly speaking, again like I said, there may not be anything wrong in this—but there will be consequences. One has to be prepared for them—and, mind you, they may not be exactly what one thinks they will be. Like that saying goes: In nature, there are no rights or wrongs—only consequences.
I am sure most, including you, would have noticed this way of interacting with others in all areas of human interaction—personal, business, official, political, and even among friends. But take it from me, this sort/method of self-promotion doesn't take one very far, and that's when the whole chain of consequences begins leading to retribution/pain/attribution of motives, etc—for a simple reason: it becomes very easy and at the same time very tough to even realize when one is crossing the 'THIN LINE' from 'self-promotion' to 'self-aggrandization' (by when any course-correction becomes very tough—if not altogether impossible). Hope you get the point.
There's one comment I can't desist from making regarding your lines: "Furthermore, my posts have contributed to the content of your forum and have engaged many users in discussion. Finally, I do engage in discussions around my posts and your forum does benefit from that."
When one says/does/contributes/mentions anything in a public forum/platform like CiteHR, please note that it's for others to judge/evaluate whether the inputs have contributed in any way to the general knowledge enhancement of the forum, if at all.
Human psychology being what it is, it little matters what the intent was meant to be in any interaction—all that matters is HOW IS IT VIEWED. If I think I am praising you, but you think that I am abusing you, your RESPONSE will be guided by YOUR PERCEPTION and not my intent, howsoever noble.
And this is in addition to what (Cite Contribution) mentioned about the unsaid rules of CiteHR interaction—which contributed in a BIG way to making it what it is today—Sharing without expectations (one can define this aspect in many ways). If kudos come, well and good, if not, then still fine with it—since the initial and basic focus was always on 'Sharing' and not on the kudos or how much of it (or to put it in another way—what's in it for me?).
And this is what actually made me get active in CiteHR way back in 2009 in the first place—something that practices (in howsoever limited way) what the Bhagavad Gita says: Your right and duty/responsibility (though the English words 'duty' or 'responsibility' don't quite convey the exact meaning of the Sanskrit words used in the original text—'Farz' could be the closest in Hindi/Urdu) are limited to perform your action to the best of your ability, but NOT in expecting the fruits/results to your benefit.
I do hope this is taken in the right perspective.
All the best.
Regards,
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Going through the postings by you and other members in the past couple of days, I suggest looking at your attempts from a few different points of view.
There's nothing wrong with self-promotion per se. There are two ways one does this exercise—based on self-strengths or based on the weaknesses/lacunae/wrongs (or in the worst-case scenario—denigration) of others. You seem to have chosen the latter method. Strictly speaking, again like I said, there may not be anything wrong in this—but there will be consequences. One has to be prepared for them—and, mind you, they may not be exactly what one thinks they will be. Like that saying goes: In nature, there are no rights or wrongs—only consequences.
I am sure most, including you, would have noticed this way of interacting with others in all areas of human interaction—personal, business, official, political, and even among friends. But take it from me, this sort/method of self-promotion doesn't take one very far, and that's when the whole chain of consequences begins leading to retribution/pain/attribution of motives, etc—for a simple reason: it becomes very easy and at the same time very tough to even realize when one is crossing the 'THIN LINE' from 'self-promotion' to 'self-aggrandization' (by when any course-correction becomes very tough—if not altogether impossible). Hope you get the point.
There's one comment I can't desist from making regarding your lines: "Furthermore, my posts have contributed to the content of your forum and have engaged many users in discussion. Finally, I do engage in discussions around my posts and your forum does benefit from that."
When one says/does/contributes/mentions anything in a public forum/platform like CiteHR, please note that it's for others to judge/evaluate whether the inputs have contributed in any way to the general knowledge enhancement of the forum, if at all.
Human psychology being what it is, it little matters what the intent was meant to be in any interaction—all that matters is HOW IS IT VIEWED. If I think I am praising you, but you think that I am abusing you, your RESPONSE will be guided by YOUR PERCEPTION and not my intent, howsoever noble.
And this is in addition to what (Cite Contribution) mentioned about the unsaid rules of CiteHR interaction—which contributed in a BIG way to making it what it is today—Sharing without expectations (one can define this aspect in many ways). If kudos come, well and good, if not, then still fine with it—since the initial and basic focus was always on 'Sharing' and not on the kudos or how much of it (or to put it in another way—what's in it for me?).
And this is what actually made me get active in CiteHR way back in 2009 in the first place—something that practices (in howsoever limited way) what the Bhagavad Gita says: Your right and duty/responsibility (though the English words 'duty' or 'responsibility' don't quite convey the exact meaning of the Sanskrit words used in the original text—'Farz' could be the closest in Hindi/Urdu) are limited to perform your action to the best of your ability, but NOT in expecting the fruits/results to your benefit.
I do hope this is taken in the right perspective.
All the best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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