My fake payslip - will my new employer verify the payslip against my bank account transactions?

Hi friends,

I work for one of India's top IT companies, and my current CTC is 4.7 lakhs per annum. I have recently received an offer from another IT company. To enhance my offer, I created a fake payslip showing a salary of 7.4 lakhs per annum, and my new CTC will be 9 lakhs per annum. I have a question - will there be any issues with this? Will my new employer verify the payslip against my bank account transactions?

Assuming that my fake payslip was well-prepared with no discrepancies in the figures.

Thanks,
Rajan

Hi Rajan,

They can verify from the HR department of your ex-employer. Rest assured, seniors will guide you.

Thanks

Dear Rajan,

Whether the fake payslip was prepared well or the new employer does not verify with the bank or the ex-employer, this is still cheating! Please do not even consider this route as the consequences will haunt you for a long time!

Regards, Autumn Jane

I agree, Jane, this is cheating. Do you suggest that I can get the same CTC (9 lak/anm) by negotiating with HR.

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Ask the question: Can you sleep with the thought of being found out and not only losing your job but also being branded a liar and blacklisted?

I remember an old adage that my father used to quote: "He who lies and lies to hide it makes it two." And then one has to keep on doing it and develop a chain of lies.

Have a nice day.

Simhan
A retired academic

Dear Rajan,

Negotiation is definitely a good option to move forward. However, the new employer may have constraints as they need to balance internal and external equities. So do your homework first; is your new job similar or bigger in accountability as compared to your old job; be prepared to accept a lower package (how low are you willing to go, but of course not lower than your current package but your planned CTC of 9 lak/anm) but with confirmation adjustments when your performance meets expectations.

Regards,

Autumn Jane

This is totally not good to fake your pay slip. Most HR personnel verify with previous employers if they doubt or find any misinformation. It is better to negotiate with your talent and their requirements. If they feel you are needed, they would definitely hire you. But don't fake.

Hi Rajan,

As I am not very experienced to give you any advice, but being in HR makes me feel like this practice is very common these days. Don't worry; they will just check with your ex-HR. If you have good connections with them, take them into your confidence. And don't worry at all; nobody will say anything to you. Be confident. May God help you prove yourself.

Regards, Shweti

Check out your new company to see if they are very much into reference checking or not. If they are very easy-going like most IT companies, then your fake references will likely not pose a problem. However, if they conduct reference checks rigorously, be prepared as they may either dismiss your appointment or decrease your salary.

Wishing you the best of luck, but next time, do not follow the wrong direction as it will always lead you into trouble.

Regards,
SK
HR Generalist

Hi Dear,

This is a common practice in financial services companies, including pharma industries. However, smart HR managers typically confirm information from references and HR. I will share an experience of my ex-colleague. When he went for an interview at an organization, the HR representative said, "Please provide me with your last salary slip, but remember it shouldn't be fake."

This is a simple technique that HR often uses to instill the fear of potential termination. In your situation, the company can legally terminate your employment if they discover that your salary slip is falsified. I am relatively new in this field to offer guidance, so I would appreciate advice from seniors.

Regards, Ketan Kokil
Sales Trainer
Indore

It can easily be verified by third-party reference check agencies. Nowadays, everyone must be aware that most IT companies are into third-party reference checks. These agencies are very influential because they are highly paid for it. Trust me, it can easily be verified by them because they all have different techniques for it, and moreover, they have a special department for doing it. Furthermore, Nasscom has all the details, including your PAN number, for all the employees working in the IT sector, whether they are earning a CTC of 1 lakh or 10 lakhs.

Hi Friends,

Thank you for your advice and for sharing your experience. As many people have pointed out, it could be dangerous at any time and could have serious consequences. I have another offer of 7 lakh per annum for which I have provided genuine documents. However, I feel that this offer is low considering my experience (5+ years as an Oracle DBA). What do you think?

Thanks,
Rajan

Hi,

I am Mouzzam. I liked the way you gave a review to Rajan regarding the Fake Payslip. Because, you see, we are not all bound to accept whatever is paid to us. But we can ascend in life.

I have been an English trainer for over a year. Thanks, but don't mind if I appreciate you.

Dear Rajan,

From 4.7 lakhs/anum to 7 lakhs/anum - it already represents a hefty 50% jump. An opportunity that many people would love to have. But if you are able to convince the 3rd company that you are worth 9 lakhs/anum, then go ahead.

P.S: Big Money Comes with Big Accountability, so what's the catch here?

Regards,
Autumn Jane

Dear Rajan,

I worked as a Verification Executive in a Company, where we verified payslips. Most Verification Companies also perform this task. Please do not take a risk in this sensitive matter; otherwise, your ex-employer could file a legal case against you.

Thank you.

Amazing use of this forum! It's difficult to believe that we can discuss something weird as this.

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Thank you!

Hi, Rajan,

I don't have much experience, but be confident. As you have already done it, you can't move back. So just believe in yourself positively because, according to the law of attraction, things come to you as you feel. If you continuously fear about it, then things may turn against you. Now try it and start thinking that you have not done anything wrong. Maybe your real value in the market is 7 lac/yr, and your current employer is not capable of giving you that. If you are not worth 9 lac/yr, then the HR person should not hire you. But if you are worthy enough, then why should anyone bother about what you were getting in your earlier company? All the best, but don't do it next time. The law of attraction is not always correct, but it works.

Hi Karuna,

Surely, you will be getting into trouble in the future. Most companies will ask you to submit the bank statement for a background check. So, please don't try to get into trouble, which will spoil your future.

Thanks,
Karuna

To provide false information about yourself is definitely an offense because the information you provide is generally believed during employment negotiations. In your case, you have prepared a fake pay slip (CTC), for which your previous employer may strongly object and take action. It would be better for you to approach your former employer and confess the truth so that they do not take further steps that could harm your career.

Jagadish Kamath

Fudging the data is not a good thing. Ideally, your new organization will offer a salary using internal parity, 'supply and demand' factors for your skills and your own competency. This is what I suggest.

If you are working in an IT organization, nowadays most companies conduct employment verifications. There are fair chances that you will be fired as soon as you are caught.

1. Go back to your new organization and explain that your salary is only 4.5 lakhs, not 7 lakhs as you mentioned in the interview. Tender an apology and negotiate for 9 lakhs. This requires a lot of courage and contemplation from you to do.

2. Simply accept the other offer (7 lakhs), which you did ethically right and live royally.

Regards, Ravindra Prasad
ravindraprasad@yahoo.com

Why give the Salary Slip. Ask for a package stating that I feel my worth in the market is around this & negotiate with the new employer. If they feel you are worth what you are stating/asking, they will accept you or say bye-bye. You will also know your worth. I hope this will be better than cheating.

Hi Rajan,

This is really good courage to ask such a question in the open forum, and I appreciate your guts on this. Many small companies never verify your payslip as verification using a third party costs are very high, say about 30,000 per employee. If you are trying in any financial domain, then just drop the idea of using a fake payslip. Secondly, as it shows you are an IT guy, never approach a well-known IT company as they do third-party verification. Trust me, I know the process of verification as I have been in IT for the past 8 years and am very familiar with the verification process. If you want more info, then drop me a mail on my email address pankajvg@hotmail.com.

Best of luck,
Pankaj

Hi everyone,

I want to address this with a question, expressing my case. When I was working, I received a salary that was at least 1/5 of what is normally paid. I accepted it because I needed the job - it was a chance for me to prove myself and it presented a challenge. Now, as I search for another job in different companies, should I disclose my real previous salary? What will they think of me? Will they take advantage of the fact that I accepted less pay? I fear they will perceive me in a negative light, possibly viewing me as having a low profile. I have also read that HR professionals believe individuals lie about 15% of their salary.

I believe that nowadays, companies aim to hire employees at the minimum salary they can accept. However, the question remains: should we always do what is right without considering the potential consequences?

Jane has given you very good advice. Look, submitting any kind of fudged document amounts to fraud, cheating, and attracts severe penal action. The "Fake Salary Slip" that you submitted may give you a very short-term gain at a VERY HIGH COST... you are jeopardizing your entire future. DO NOT RESORT TO SUCH UNLAWFUL ADVENTURES. In the present circumstances, take up the job which you have negotiated using the original Pay Slip and sleep easy. Any foundation based on falsehood will only give you a very weak superstructure which can crumble anytime... it's not worth risking. Best Wishes, Vasant Nair HR Advisor

this is definitely a wrong step to produce fake pay slip, if they will check it then it will be difficult for you, now all depends on your luck.
Even new company can put up a case of forgery.
If any chance you have not done this till know, don’t try to do it.

Dear Faker, What else do you fake? Whether you will be caught or not is not the question that needs to be answered; it is when will you be caught. The way things are now, I definitely see that in the near future you are going to be strung upside down.

Hi Rajan,

It's not about whether you could get the same salary by negotiating. Is your ability worth the salary you are expecting? In the long run, when you are in the last lap to the top of the organization, you are sure to underperform with this thought in your mind; you can never escape this.

Remember the story of Parasuraman (avatar of Vishnu). You might achieve whatever you desire in the short run, but in the long run, it will hurt for sure. Achieving is important, but the means of achieving are also very important.

OE

In such cases, I feel that the systems followed by the companies are not good. Many refer to the previous salary and set a new scale, for example, 20-30%, etc. The company must have a proper scaling system where they can fit him/her based on his/her competency and not on his previously drawn salary.

Such is our world that the salary we get is based on our previous salary and not as per our eligibility. I have seen guys getting much more than what they deserve compared to what they should get. At the same time, I have seen profiles getting rejected just because the current salary is way too low to be eligible for the profile, though qualification and experience-wise they are perfect for the job. Such is the world we live in. I cannot think that the company would have given you this salary if you had told them your current salary. Such is the world we have chosen to live in, and such is the world we make for ourselves.

I don't say what you have done is correct, but at times we don't have any choice. Anyways, from what I see, what you can do is keep your current job and take the offer letter to your HR and see if you can negotiate with them. They might not give you the same hike, but you might get a decent raise. This will give you some peace of mind. Else, you can take someone in HR into confidence and seek their help.

Lastly, you can let the sleeping dogs lie and hope that they don't find out, but there is risk involved because as far as I know, IT companies do have a procedure of background checks, including verification of your educational documents as well as your experience and salary. How they do it depends on the company. Any third-party verification would be detailed where they would call your HR number and ask for your details or it might be a simple call from your HR to the reference number you have given where they will just ask about your job details.

You can try to find out what sort of verification they do, and based on that, you can make your decision. If possible, try getting in touch with a current employee of the company to get the details.

You need to decide whether you would rather clinch a job for a few weeks and get the sack, or remain where you are until you can get a better deal. Faking your payslip details is not a wise route. If you consider yourself to have acquired enough competencies to justify over a 100% pay rise, then renegotiate. Good luck.

Hello,

Being an HR, this is absolutely wrong and unacceptable. We, as HR professionals, should be role models to the employees in the organization.

Regards,
Nandha

Come what may, I appreciate your guts to accept the mistake you have done and the boldness to put it across in a forum that is exclusively used by HR professionals.

Based on my experience, somehow, I don't believe that HR can be a role model. Anyways, back to the topic, I forgot to mention that if I were you, I would take that 7 lakh per annum job and sleep easy.

Dear,

First of all, let me tell you that producing a fake slip is the biggest crime morally and socially. It amounts to the suppression of factual information and furnishing fabricated information. Whether they check it or not is a different thing, but as educated and highly placed persons, we are not supposed to do such things just for the sake of more money. After all, with more education, we are expected to behave more sensibly and honestly; that is the meaning of education! Education should not be just a bread-winning parameter! Excuse me if I hurt your feelings, but it is a fact I want to make clear on this forum. I would appreciate it if such posts totally disappear from this site.

B. Dakshina Murty
Manager - HR

Well, if you can deliver and justify your salary to them by way of your hard work, it may not matter. Who knows, they kept you because of some dire need and did not mind paying you that higher salary. Now it is your turn to prove them right.

Anyway, life is so artificial nowadays that most of the situations we face are fake. So don't worry about what has been done and prove yourself so that your next raise is based upon your abilities rather than fakeness. Good luck.

Hey Rajan,

Never ever try this out. What will you do if the HR guys ask you to submit your bank statement? As per my experience, all your details will be verified. If you are working for a Top IT company, all your details will be in the NASSCOM directory. So why spoil your future just for salary? This is a fraud and will come to light 1-2 months after you join the new company. If it is proven, you will be out of a job and blacklisted. Please be careful.

Regards,
Vincent

Hi Ranjan,

If you have already done this, go ahead with confidence because they pay you based on their budget, not only what you have asked for. If you are not going to do it, please do not proceed because they have the right to check.

Thank you.

Generally, the negotiations are based on the last drawn salary, and there may be some cash incentives that are not reflected in the pay slips. You should not provide fake pay slips. As you have done it, say, think positively that nothing will happen.

Hello,

I am sure a lot of HR professionals must be reading this forum. We should not encourage these types of queries. It is not ethical to submit fake certificates and ask for people's opinions.

All the best

Yes, they may verify your salary details from the previous employer. I am not sure if they will see the bank transactions. Even if they don't verify it, you will need to submit a copy of the final settlement from your previous employer to the new employer. The salary details will be mentioned in the final settlement document, and you will be caught. :)

As per my opinion, it is not advisable to have a fake salary slip. We should negotiate our salary as per our capability.

Krishna

Any top IT company has a background check process, and you could lose your new job. Your approach is neither legal nor ethical. Please desist from this.

The question is not only about fake payslips. It reflects the general character of the incumbent. Most reputable employers would prefer the summary dismissal of such an employee as the character of the individual, especially in a higher position, counts more than even the knowledge and skill component.

To Vasant Nair,

Thank you for your appreciation.

To Sridharafep,

When an organization does not have a scaling system (in C&B, we call this Grade and Salary Structure. This is achieved by conducting a Job Evaluation and using Market Salary Data to formulate). When such a system is not in place, the 20%-30% onto previous drawn salary becomes a good rule of thumb when hiring a job of similar scope and accountability as the additional % is to recognize the "hardship" in starting with a new company, new culture, new system and new colleagues. This is a valid and common salary administration practice.

When an organization does have a proper grade and salary structure, it is imperative for HR to hire, retain, promote, and transfer within system guidelines in order to maintain internal & external equities. HR cannot offer as they pleased.

Another valid and common practice is to hire just below the minimum of the salary range. But this practice has to go hand in hand with your probation policy. So, if you are hired below the minimum of the salary range, given a 6-month probation, once your performance meets expectations, you will get your confirmation with a salary adjustment which moves you to the minimum range. If you remain in the same organization performing the same scope of job, you will progress through this range in the form of annual increment.

The speed at which you progress through this range (minimum to maximum) depends very much on your performance. However, the value of this range is not constant throughout your career because of market forces, etc. HR needs to update these ranges every year to remain competitive by accessing market salary surveys.

To Tariq,

Quote "I have seen guys getting much much more than what they deserve compared to what they should get."

Other than a proper grade and salary structure, for an organization to decide what to pay also depends very much on its Pay Philosophy (where it wants to be in the marketplace); which industry the company is in (Financial vs Manufacturing, i.e. an IT job will be paid more in the Financial sector vs the same IT job in the Manufacturing section); demand and supply of job and skill sets (high demand with scarce supply would usually mean the company has to pay a premium to get candidates) and which phase the organization is in the business cycle (for a new startup, the organization may have to pay a premium for key jobs to kick start the business or a life example - the dot.com era where low pay and huge stock options are provided).

If an organization has decided to be leading the market by paying at market Q3, the salary ranges will be formulated based on Q3 of the market data. So, if some guys who are doing the same scope of work and yet getting much more, it could be because of the above circumstances.

I do agree with your suggestion of "Anyways, from where I see, what you can do is keep your current job and take the offer letter to your HR and see if you can negotiate with them. They might not give you the same hike but you might get a decent raise." This is especially important if this is a key job or a star performer. This should possibly be the 1st option. However, this should not be repeated too often as it becomes a threat to the organization and your loyalty is questioned, even if you are a star performer. The organization may decide to let you go one day.

To B. Dakshina Murty & Mdateeq,

I totally agree with your comments that such posts should totally disappear from this site as I was pretty shocked myself to read it when it was first posted. But I decided to put in my 2 cents worth of advice because I guessed once in a while a little nudge goes a long way.

Regards,
Autumn Jane

Hello Rajon,

You have done things. One is that you have done a wrong thing by submitting a fake payslip. Number 2 is that you are trying to overcome this pain. What I understand is that first, you try to manage your present HR boss so that when the new company's HR asks for confirmation, they will say it is correct. Alternatively, you can directly go to the new employer and confess your wrongdoing. They may consider it as honesty because we all chase money. For more money, most people tell lies. Confessing before joining the new company may be a good move. Your salary may be decreased, but you can sleep at night without any worries.

Thank you.

Dear,

Such type of providing fake payslip is morally incorrect. If an employer finds out that you have provided a fake slip, the reason employer can sack you from employment.

Thanks,
Sachin

Hi,

I feel it is the guilty conscience that prompted you to send an email like this. You should have never made a fake payslip. Having done that, the best thing would have been to keep mum. Sending an email like this would do more harm than good. Now pray and be prepared for anything and try to forget whatever happened. Only make sure that you will never do such things in the future. May time give you peace of mind. Good luck.

Pavithran.

You ask yourself what is right and what is wrong. Is the management a fool to offer you a pay package like this? I think they are if they are working on whims.

Rajan,

The new organization will ask you for Form 16, which clearly indicates your earnings. So, be honest, don't use fake pay slips.

-Abhay Kulkarni
From HR

Dear Rajan,

What if your new employer asks you for Form 16? Will you give that too, fake? That would be legally wrong. You will be making another false representation to hide your initial lie, which can get you into trouble.

Deepak Behl (Consultant in EPF, ESIC, and Labour Laws) 9811397722

At the outset, your approach is nothing but cheating, and you may be booked under the relevant IPC Sections for the same, which may lead to imprisonment, a fine, or both. The new employer will definitely come to know about your earlier pay since you need to submit the Form 16/IT Returns to your new employer. Better be safe now than regret later. Life is not all about money alone.

You have committed a crime by faking a document. If you join the company, you will face the risk of criminal prosecution as well as being fired from the job. If you do not join the company, you will still be guilty of forging a document and cheating, but then they will simply not bother anymore about it.

M C Gupta
MD, LL.M.
Advocate

Rajan,

Why do you give a fake payslip? You should have the guts to tell what you are and what you want. Secondly, if you are caught, you lose credibility and your job too. Also, you will lower yourself in your own eyes. Do not take shortcuts.

Your Form 16 can expose false information. You will have to provide last year's Form 16 to your new employer.

Please let me know if you need further assistance.

Dear brother, all that glitters is not gold. Truth is the basis of a relationship. The beauty of truth lies in the fact that you need not remember it.

As far as negotiation regarding remuneration is concerned, it is fairly based on the utility of a person for the organization and not on his last drawn cheque.

Regards,
S. K. Saxeina

Please, for God's sake, do not make such preposterous suggestions. Salary details are an important part of the Antecedent Verification Process, which is very commonly done these days.

Vasant Nair

Dear Jane,
Your approach is really wonderful. I am also very impressed with your comments and observations.
I would like to be friends with you.
Do contact me on my mail : [Login to view], my Mobile No is 09717726667. I stay in Gurgaon.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Best Wishes,
vasant Nair

Hello Mr. Ranjan,

If you want to achieve success in life, you have to take risks because high-risk opportunities often lead to greater success.

Regards,
Anju

Rajan,

This amounts to cheating, and you will definitely be found out sooner or later. In most IT companies, the integrity policy is fairly strong. In the event of this coming to light, I am sure you will be fired. However, until then, have fun.

Regards,
sapatsundar

Hi Grajan,

The best way to success is sincerity with yourself, leaving all aspects apart from the fear of getting caught or blacklisted. You should always ask yourself rather than posting queries. If you think you are right, it's OK. If you ask others for an honest suggestion, then it's a big no-no.

Dear Jane
What you are saying here "To Tariq
Quote “I have seen guys getting much much more then what they deserve compared to what they should get.”
Other then a proper grade and salary structure, for an organization to decide what to pay also depends very much on its Pay Philosophy (where it wants to be in the market place); which industry is the company in (Financial vs Manufacturing........ " . This is completely subjective. Whereas what I said was based on my personal experiences and observations and not based on theory of company philosophy as where it wants to be in market place etc.. It simple equation.. two people doing same job in same company but still not the same pay. Reason, guy who joined had a better pay in previous company.

Dear Rajan,

There is no turning back. A company that is paying you 9 lakh per annum should definitely conduct a background check on your track record. :(

Thank you.

Dear Vasant Nair,

Thank you for your compliments. I will contact you via your email.

Dear Tariq,

My comments are based on more than 20 years of Total Rewards consulting experience – using theory to build practical systems for my clients. However, any system, no matter how perfectly designed, as long as it is administered by humans, there will always be subjectivity.

As for your personal experience and observation, two people doing the same job in the same company yet not receiving the same pay because one had a better pay from a previous company – throwing away all my theory and experience talk, in layman's language – please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job? This leads us back to the sticky situation of Rajan – the original poster of this thread.

Dear Sridharafep and Mahesh,

Thank you for your appreciation.

Regards,
Autumn Jane

This is not a good practice. Many times during interviews, HR interviewers check your credentials, certificates, and payslips. When filling out forms, you will need to mention your starting salary and current salary for all the companies you have worked for. It will be easy to determine from your experience, knowledge, and education how the salary increase was justified. If it is discovered that you are being dishonest, it could have negative consequences for your future. If you claim to have been promoted, the company will likely ask for a copy of your promotion letter showing the new revised salary. Additionally, remember that reference checks are also conducted by HR after you join the company. If the information you provide contradicts what your ex-employer states, you could face repercussions, and the company may terminate your employment. It is crucial to always be honest.

As I am here to give you advice, being in HR feels like this practice is very common these days. They will need to check with your ex-HR only. So, if you have good links with them, take them into your confidence. This is still cheating.

It's better that you deny the offer and continue with your current job because if you will share those with your new employer, they'll definitely not be in your favor. And in any case, if they hire you because you are the perfect candidate, wouldn't that be humiliating for you to face them with such a big lie.

It's important to be honest in professional situations, as dishonesty can lead to negative consequences in the long run.

Hi Dear,

First of all, without keeping any second thought in mind, I must say it's unethical. As per my experience in the industry, the policies may vary from company to company. Some employers just ask for the salary slips of the last three consecutive months, some cross-verify with bank account statements, and sometimes it may be outsourced to third-party service providers as well. Negotiation of any expected amount can be done; it all depends on their need for hiring any resource as well as your negotiation skills. However, producing a fake salary slip might be considered an open invitation to problems. It is my gentle advice to you to never bet your career on anything in life. Money can be earned later, but if your image gets spoiled in corporates, it can't be undone. Last but not least, as you yourself created that fake salary slip, this may increase the chances of getting into the eye of professionals.

Regards,
Zameer Hasan

My Dear FRIEND!,

Just imagine, a colleague shares with you that he has done the same thing but he could double his salary by this modus operandi. Now, what will you feel? What will you do now? Next time you change your job, will you increase your risk?

But good, your values are intact, as you have dared to ask this question openly.

PPR

You have not only left me with the feeling of repentance but also raised a question on fraternity. Shame on you. I advise, if money-earning is the sole criteria of life, then it's better to adopt the world's oldest paid profession (don't know the answer, please google) but please don't filth the community by setting such examples.

Hi,

I believe one should always be fair to their own conscience. This is the way to work with positive strength, and the most important thing is that hard work always pays off.

Shivani

Dear Jane,

About your comment "As for your personal experience and observation, two people doing same job in same company yet not same pay because one had a better pay from previous company – throwing away all my theory & experience talk, in layman language – please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?

This is exactly what I mean. The salary should be based on what one should deserve and as per their eligibility and not what one was getting in previous organization. But unfortunately this is not the case.

Coming to the point that "please answer this simple question – would you accept a new job offer that pays a lower salary than your old job?"

This is again very subjective. May be yes, may be no. I am currently working outside my native place. If i get a job at my home town in the same profile, no second thoughts I would take that job. This is just one example, depending on "conditions" people do take job where salary is less or same.

I dont intent to question your experience of 20 years. I am just putting across my point and observations. If you have not seen anything or expereienced anything doesnt means that it doesnt exist. What you have expereinced and observed might be true, just because I havent seen it doesnt means it is not true. This theory applies both ways.

Thanks Mr. Vasant Nair for your response,

I am feeling little relieved, my views and voice has reached to some people and few people have heard it. I am surely very very angry and in a fit of anger I have made some exaggerations. Please try to understand reasons for my anger.

· Mr. Rajan in his post has very casually mentioned that, he has fudged his payslip to inflate his CTC from 4.7 lakhs to 7.4 lakhs with the intension of extracting higher CTC from prospective employer. He is seeking opinion from citehr members whether will there be any further verification and will he land in any problem. Moreover he is shamelessly stating that he has done his fudging job well.
In his post, neither he has felt that he has done anything wrong nor there is any feeling of guilt or remorse. Rather very casually he is asking HR Professionals ‘hey will there be any problem?’
· His query had overwhelming response and so far more than 80 citehr members have responded. But look at a response !!!! very negligible number of posters have mentioned that, this is unethical, this is a serious mistake, a crime. Rather most of the posters have accepted Rajan’s act as a very routine normal matter, and have further advised on how to come out of it, without correcting the crime. Some have further suggested that HR People are dumb and they will never know about this. In general most HR Professionals have squarely ignored regard for ethics and their accountability as HR Professional and have conveniently forgotten that fudging documents is a serious crime and they are accountable for accepting fudged documents blindly.
· Very unprofessional, casual attitude of citehr members have angered me more. Most of them seem to have forgotten that, as professionals they are accountable for their deeds. It is expected from HR Professionals that they perform their job professionally and they are neither a party nor a mute spectator to crime happening in their presence.
· Just look at the picture created by this thread !!!!! a)You can easily fool HR Professionals by submitting fudged documents b) HR Professionals anyway will not be bothered much even if they come to know that documents submitted are forged. c) Submitting forged documents is normal and routine phenomenon and chances of one getting caught are less.
Hence I thought it fit to strongly condemn the one who has done forgery and also those who have not condemned the wrong act.
· Let me reiterate that, what Rajan has committed is not a simple mistake but a serious crime and do not take it so lightly.
· I wish this forum will not become a meeting ground for people like Rajan who will educate us on how to forge documents and citehr members will advise people like Rajan on how to come out of it, if caught.

Thanks & Regards

Hi Friend,

This was common practice before, but not now, due to Rescission and the quality of employees. Companies are checking each document that you present, especially if you are saying you are joining a big company. Be prepared for this. I think they may check your bank statement to compare it with your take-home salary from your current employer. If they find any false information, you may be in trouble.

It would be best for you to go for negotiations. This is my personal opinion; the choice is yours.

I wish you all the best.

I think, now a long time has passed, Rajan received many mails. Mostly, all mails rejected his deed. Let us learn a lesson from those, and every one of us should go in the true way, demand what we want/deserve, according to our capability. If, in our luck, there is money, no one is going to stop, if not, once earned money will also go in the dustbin. I do not know if Rajan is a physical and genuine person on this site or if he has just written this to know the public views. I wish Rajan had not claimed anything but just written to know our views.

Guys, we should not discuss this thread more. Let's close it. I think this is unethical and the wrong thing to do. No one should do this. That's it. Please, no philosophizing, no HR prescription.

Dear Mr. Rajan,

In this context, I want to say that you should not produce a fake salary slip for the employer. In large branded companies, they have hired verifying agencies who verify all details from the previous employer. The new employer may want to scrutinize your salary details through bank statements. There are many things to consider before hiring an employee, so it is advised not to mislead any employer. Be honest in your profession.

Thanks,
P.S. Toor

I appreciate your state of agnuish.



What is most alarming is that under-prepared individuals are taking up HR as their chosen vocation.



In this very forum we have had very upsetting and disrurbing threads:



1. Someone who has been working as a "Personal Manager" for five years wanted to know how he should plan his resignation. He wanted advice on this very simple transaction on which he should be advising people.



2. Someone wanted to know "What Factories Act is all about".



3. Someone wanted to know "everthing about labour Laws"



This list on such innocent queries can go on.



The idea is not to belittle people and their lack of knowledge and required awareness.



It was not funny at all when on being asked what Standing Orders are, an MBA passout responded by abruptly standing up.



The fault does not lie with the young colleagues who want to take up HR as a Career. The fault lies in the system which does not provide the aspiring individuals necessary exposure to HR learnings.



Therefore, it is imperative that as Seniors we should allow for compassion and help the struggling young ones to find their feet. In the process they will stumble and fall but then we are there to help them stand up and walk again.



I used the film "The Dirty Dozen" as an example. In the film hard core, condemned criminals are persuaded to to some very good work. Most of them died for a good noble cause.



I agree, enough has been said about this matter. Lets put a stop to this now and move forward.



Best Wishes,



Vasant Nair



PS: I am very pleased that you took my response positively. Thank You.

Mr. Rajan,

Do not worry about this. Those here giving you philosophy, just ignore it. If they selected you, that means you are qualified for that position and you met their requirements. And that company is capable financially to pay that much. I ask these philosophers, what about those companies who are not following legal laws and regulations, exploiting employees, finding ways to run from laws and rules? India is full of these kinds of companies. Whole money is not distributed equally and proportionally.

I am totally with Jane. If you get away with such cheating once, you may want to do it again. It may become a habit, which will surely land you in a spot of serious trouble someday.

Vasant Nair

I am working in a company for almost a year. I voluntarily joined this company as an intern, but they didn't pay me any stipend or salary. I didn't bother, but now I want to apply to another company, and they are asking me to submit the payslip. I talked to my boss about that, and he agreed to provide me a payslip (remember, they didn't pay me anything), but everybody knows that I am an employee of that company.

Dear Rahul,

Please do not fall into that trap. There is nothing wrong with working as an intern without pay. Tell the truth and ask your boss to give you a certificate stating that you worked there for nothing and how good a worker you were.

Hi Rajan,

I hope you are asking this of us after producing the fake payslips. I am sure you cannot change the past, and again, the comments are not going to help you in any way. Good luck!