No Qualification Required In India To Practice Any Profession

Dear all,

I have been reading many posts on this site, and my impression is that people without formal qualifications are becoming HR Managers. Similarly, I have the impression about India that you don't need to be an MBBS or BE or have any formal qualifications to practice in the medical profession or engineering field. This is either due to fraudulent practices or a lack of law and order in the country, allowing people to practice any profession without the proper qualifications.

My friends from India, here in Dubai, have told me that many Bangali "BABA" kinds of people or touts are working as medical professionals. The questions raised by most members seem to indicate that a situation similar to Bangali "BABA" HR Managers is happening all over India.

Captain Cook

Your impression about India and the people working in India is wrong. Certainly, there might be people practicing medicine without proper qualifications, but I will not entertain them at all. One person came to my locality after 'serving' for a decade in the UK, claiming to be a medical practitioner. Very soon, we developed doubts about him, and he vanished from the clinic to 'resume' his work at his previous place!

I don't support your view that anybody can practice any profession without basic qualifications. It is wrong information passed to you by your Bengali friends.

If I say that only people who cannot find employment in India or whose services are not required by Indian companies, or those who are not deemed worthy of entering a profession in India, find employment in your place, Dubai, what will be your reaction?

Please tell your Bengali friends not to blame all Indians just because of some saints or babas who practice traditional medicine, and that too for minor irritations and ailments, not for heart attacks!

Regards,

Madhu.T.K

I agree with Mr. Madhu. Many Indians, who are qualified professionals, are not only working in India but also working in other countries and doing well. In Dubai, if you log in using the employer ID of Naukri or Monster, you'll find that Indian engineers are working in the oil and gas industry more than the people of Dubai.

Always believe the facts, please.

We also hear many things about other countries, but we do not entertain them until we find the facts. I don't know who says what, but it's up to you to believe.

India has a huge population and a large number of educated and intelligent citizens. Here, it's difficult to get a job without proper qualifications or experience. This is a fact.

With such a huge population, there may be some possibilities of such things, but making an impression for everyone or for the whole country is absolutely wrong. So try not to form such an impression.

Lastly, we Indians do not need to prove anything regarding our intelligence or education because it's now globally recognized, and we are successfully working in every part of the world and in every field.

Thanks.

Thank you to all for sharing your insight.

I was also surprised to hear from my Indian friend that no qualifications are required to practice any profession in India. I was also told that people get printed fake engineering and medical degree certificates from New Delhi and Mumbai. There are many printing presses that print such degrees, and agents sell them to needy people.

Specifically, most people here in the Middle East, out of 100 Indians, 95 belong to the state of Kerala. They do not hold formal qualifications and work in HR, administration, and secretarial jobs. I have personally encountered many Kerala citizens who worked as drivers in the past but are now working as managers in travel companies or hotels, claiming they studied Business Management in India. However, I was informed by a Kerala citizen that all these degree certificates are fake and manipulated.

I have observed many such practices by most Keralites and Filipinos in the Middle East, using fake certificates to work as doctors and engineers.

Regards,

Captaincook

Well, sir,

One thing I would like to mention is that you mentioned one example of some Bengali fake doctors. It's not only Bengali; all over India, in all states and cities, there are fake and fraudulent individuals, from doctors and sadhus to HRs.

In faking, Indians are very smart. Even I have been deceived. It's very easy to obtain a printer for printing certificates. However, I did not forge my certificates. Just when I was a mischievous little kid trying to get a driver's license, I modified my date of birth to show that I was above 18 and obtained my driver's license. After some years, I realized my mistake, discarded that license, and obtained a new one. When I got the new one, the process had become computerized with a photo and fingerprint in their database. Saved, at last! 😉

Now, the captain has taken a different view that there are plenty of fake doctors and engineers in Dubai. It is a matter of civil administration of that country; I have nothing to do about it. His thread started blaming that no qualification is required to practice a profession in "India". Now it has taken a turn that in India it is not possible, whereas it is possible abroad!

Dear friend, a person holding an MBA degree may find it difficult to find a job that gives him an adequate salary, at least to repay his education loan. He may even be ready to accept employment as a driver in Dubai. Once settled, he may find a job as a manager. The man you met as a driver and manager may belong to this category. I personally know some postgraduates (genuine PGs from Calicut and Kerala Universities) who went to Dubai as laborers and later on got employed in very good institutions. There are still a good number of postgraduates employed in Dubai as Class IV employees. The case of Kerala is also similar. We have postgraduates doing the work of attenders and sweepers in government offices. Due to a lack of professionalism, many good positions are occupied by graduates of average skills.

Therefore, don't blame the entire country (now the blame has come down to a state, Kerala only) because we, those who work in India and for India, will not tolerate it.

Regards,

Madhu.T.K

Dear Captain Cook,

It is a matter of perceptions. You have been seeing the other side of India only.

May I remind you that India launched a moon mission named "Chandrayaan" recently. Do you think that it is possible to do that with fake scientists?

Medical tourism is booming in India. A large number of patients come to India for the treatment of cardiac, pulmonary, or neurological disorders. Do you think that it is possible to do that with fake doctors? India is the back office of the world and a software giant as well.

Do you think it is possible to be a giant by writing fake codes for the software?

I can quote numerous examples of this kind.

The reality is that India has a vast population. With this population, anything and everything is possible in India. The second challenge is that Indians do not hold that kind of pride for their country. The third challenge is that the average Indian is quite an undisciplined person.

Recently, there was a news report that a British man was punished for raping his daughters. Not only did he rape them, but his two daughters had four pregnancies from these rapes. The news was sickening to read. Does it mean that I should form a different opinion of Great Britain as a whole? No, this is not a portrait of the average British.

You have come across a bunch of unpatriotic citizens of India. But let me remind you, Captain, that Indians are the most successful foreigners in any given country. Success everywhere does not come through deceitful activities.

Dinesh V Divekar
Soft Skills and Behavioral Training Consultant

dineshdivekar(at)yahoo.com

Mr. Captaincook,

I am amazed at your comment, and also you are trying to justify the same the second time. As far as I know, Dubai has a lot of Indian doctors and engineers. If Dubai is progressing, a lot of Indians have contributed to that. I also have friends who have come from the Middle East for education in India. Many Indian schools have their branches in the Middle East. When you comment, you need to get your facts right.

If one or two fruits are rotten, it does not mean the whole basket of fruit is rotten.

Regards,
Madhu

Hey Captain Cook,

What qualifications and ethics are you talking about? By the way, the world knows that Dubai is a country built with black money from illegal activities like smuggling, drugs, and whatnot! Why don't you question your own countrymen about this? Or maybe they are professionally qualified in this?

Hi Captain,

This topic has received a lot of responses all directing towards the same way. I agree with all of them, despite different opinions. I would like to say that the argument between bookworms and street-smart personnel has been an age-old topic. Time and again, street-smart executives have proven to be more efficient than bookworms. There are a lot of really brilliant and talented MBAs that graduate from some of the best colleges in our country. On the other hand, there are some who obtain the same MBA but struggle to efficiently create a practical financial year budget while on the job. Ponder over this, and it may make sense that what you stated is very ambiguous, and you cannot generalize.

Cheers!

Mr. Cook,

All I have to say is, stop cooking these stories and do not prejudge anyone. It is important for you to understand that you are on a public forum and your comments are about our country. Your lack of knowledge on the matter also displays your level of thinking. Please get into details; it is people who do wrong things, not the country as a whole. Your country cannot be blamed for the presumptions you are making about our country.

Sapna Agrawal

Mr. Captain Cook, Just because of a few dirty fish, you cannot blame the whole pond. There are a few immoral citizens in every country; just because of them, how can you blame the whole nation? You have got a wrong picture of INDIA. I think you really need to know about the real India, so read on:

Some interesting facts about India:

- The number of companies listed on the Bombay Stock Exchange, at more than 6,000, is second only to NYSE.
- Four out of 10 Silicon Valley startups are run by Indians.
- With 800 movies per year, India's film industry overshadows Hollywood.
- The organized lottery market in India is US$7bn (2% of GDP).
- India consumes a fifth of the world's gold output.
- Indians account for 45% of H1-B visas issued by the US every year.
- Growing at 6%, in 25 years Indian GDP (on a PPP basis) will be at the same level as the US is today.
- Seven Indian ladies have won Miss Universe/Miss World titles over the past 12 years. No other country has won more than twice.
- Bank deposits in India roughly equal 50% of its GDP, again, among the highest in the world.
- Indian Railways is the largest railway network in the world under single management.
- India has the third-largest army in the world, nearly 1.5 million strong.
- India is the largest producer and consumer of tea in the world, accounting for more than 30% of global production and 25% of consumption.
- India is the world's premier center for diamond cutting and polishing. Nine out of every 10 stones sold in the world pass through India.
- India has the highest number of annual bulk drugs filings (77) with USFDA.
- India is home to the largest number of pharmaceutical plants (61) approved by USFDA outside the US.
- India's Hero Honda is the world's largest motorcycle manufacturer, with 2002 production of 1.7m units.
- Other than the US and Japan, India is the only country to have built a supercomputer indigenously.
- Indian Railways is the largest employer in the world, with a staff of 1.6 million people.
- It is the second-largest cement-producing country in the world, producing more than 110m tonnes.
- Of the Fortune 500 companies, 270 outsource their software-related work to India.
- There are 8,500 Indian restaurants in the UK, 15% of the country's total dining-out establishments.
- India is the largest democracy in the world, with nearly 400m voting in the last national elections.
- India has the second-largest pool of scientists and engineers in the world.
- India has the third-largest investor base in the world.
- According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source of diamonds.
- The Kumbh Mela festival, held every 12 years in the city of Allahabad, attracts 25 million people, more than the population of 185 of the 227 countries in the world.
- The Indian city of Varanasi, also known as Benares, is the oldest continuously inhabited city in the world today.
- There are 3.22 million Indians in the US.
- Indians are the richest immigrant class in the US, with nearly 200,000 millionaires.
- India is ranked the sixth country in the world in terms of satellite launches.
- There are over 70,000 bank branches in India - among the highest in the world.

I LOVE MY INDIA.....

Quotes about India:

Albert Einstein said: "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made."

Mark Twain said: "India is the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grandmother of tradition. Our most valuable and most destructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only."

French scholar Romain Rolland said: "If there is one place on the face of the earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."

Hu Shih, former Ambassador of China to the USA, said: "India conquered and dominated China culturally for 20 centuries without ever having to send a single soldier across her border."

Friends, thank you once again for so many responses. I appreciate your concern regarding my misunderstanding of Indians working abroad.

Actually, the people I met from India working in the Middle East, specifically, are totally different from your understanding of them. The individuals I encountered in the Middle East have nothing to do with any qualifications; they are an economic migrant workforce. When there is a scarcity of qualified doctors and engineers, I observed that they import relevant technicians, such as medical compounders, and falsely present them as doctors by providing fake certificates to place them in hospitals. I witnessed one of them being caught and deported to India, only to be caught again in India for the same offense. In the Middle East, many recruiting agencies are operated by Keralite people who push their own, even technicians or so-called "Mistry," to be projected as engineers based on fake certificates. Essentially, these certificates are useless, as these individuals are recruited for work permits or "Iqma" to fill the shortage of skills approved by the government for a particular company.

Therefore, even if someone is a doctor, they may be issued a work permit for a driver or messenger. Similarly, some engineers may end up working under a work permit for electricians because the company already has someone else under an engineer work permit in the allotted quota.

Hence, there is a shortage of manpower in the Middle East due to the unwillingness of Arabs to work in such positions and the lack of properly educated individuals. Consequently, people are hired from various countries, including India, the Philippines, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, and Bangladesh. However, most of them are using fake certifications belonging to their relatives who are employed in India by the government, and so on.

Captaincook

Hi, Mr. Captain-cook
If you are doing any study upon India and its people, better get deep into its facts & realities and not upon the phony statements and comments of some Tom, Dick or Harry.
If you really peer into this country you may hit upon the most Qualified and Skilled personalities than in any part of the world.
As of Dubai progress the real brains behind are of the Indians who have taught them the way to utilize their economy.
The patients flowing in from other countries for treatments are with whole hearted faith and buoyancy they have in Indian doctors rather than the wealthy and expensive hospitals and treatments offered in other part of the world.
The towering amount of Indian Engineers and Doctors all over the world are well compete enough to challenge the world with their propitious skill which the world has already witnessed.

Consequently, we do not feel that any one would be tolerable to toss or hurl any unconstructive comment staying on the foundation of indistinct and blurred information’s.

Hello Captain,

Reading your posts, it just struck me, maybe there is truth in what you are saying because despite the outbursts by so many, you still stick to your line. If what you are saying is true, then I should say that Dubai is the best place to get a job with fake degrees and certificates. Doesn't your government have some verification process? Don't you guys take some tests or interviews before you employ people? Instead of blaming the people who come and join you, I think you should look for answers within and ask the government to have stringent standards for selection.

Besides, give a thought to what Mr. Madhu said regarding the workforce in Kerala who are educated but unemployed and, for economic reasons, are ready to go and do blue-collar work there and gradually move up to the right kind of work commensurate with their qualifications.

Regards,

Colonel Sajan....BTW this colonel is not fake, but your Captain could be!!

Hi,

Sorry, in my last post, the word should have read as "commensurate" and not "commensurating."

Another thought regarding degrees. While degrees are necessary, they are not essential for doing well in life in certain professions. Bill Gates did not have a degree when he founded Microsoft. Neither do the dabbawallahs of Mumbai have any degree, yet they have Six Sigma certification. Your neighborhood veggie seller can teach us about customer service and relationship management better than a professor on the subject.

So, it is not surprising to see enterprising people starting as drivers and ending up as managers of a transport company. Do they really need a degree? I think they would do better than most MBAs based on their sheer hands-on experience. But yes, for a profession like medicine, we do need qualified people.

Your take now, Captain.

Sajan

Even to get into a small company in India, candidates need to go through a rigorous background check. Any discrepancy in the same will result in the candidate not being offered the position. It is very surprising that if a candidate with fake certificates cannot get into an Indian company, he can easily go to the Middle East (known for strict laws and implementation), get a work permit, and work.

Mr. Cook, before blaming others, try to get your country's laws in place.

Don't blame the thief for robbing you; blame yourself for being careless.

Thank you, gentlemen, for your feedback.

I am not Middle Eastern, but it's our general impression that when we see crooks around in the Middle East, we think it's a trend here in third world countries due to a lack of know-how and intellectual capital. People do any job without proper qualifications.

Actually, for work permits in the Middle East, no qualifications are verified, and authenticity is not counter-checked at any point in time. Organizations here are granted employment visas to engage employees in skills shortage jobs listed by the labor department. Recruitment agencies camouflage candidates with fake identities and certifications because the only thing that matters is entry to the UAE or Middle Eastern countries and subsequent work permits as messengers, drivers, laborers, operators, etc., which is totally manipulated. Even highly qualified people such as engineers and doctors work as technicians and electricians on work permits because someone else may be using a doctor's or engineer's work permit, perhaps as a driver or operator, using that quota of a particular organization. If I were an employer, I could recruit people with fake organization registration. Many local Arabs are selling these visas to people or agents to further sell to the migrant workforce from India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, who spend over 200,000 to 300,000 for migration and work permits to work here, and they work here as barbers for over 7 to 8 years to recover these expenses of buying visas permits from Arabs.

I do not intend to abuse anyone, but to share the truth, I can say if poor fraudulent people can migrate, why can't genuine people migrate and earn more money instead of fraudulent people.

Warm regards,

Captain

Let me tell you bluntly, all those who migrate to the Middle East are mediocre people, and most of them are frauds, especially from Kerala. Low-skilled workers like barbers, drivers, scavengers, and relatives of many who work there belong to the state of Kerala. They have a nexus and a gang of recruiters who supply manpower and camouflage all manipulations with fake certifications, even from printing presses in Kurla, etc.

What matters to Arabs is manpower who can work because they don't want to work. All housemaids to drivers in the supply chain management belong to the same chain of low-skilled people. However, they do not manipulate with middle management or specialist jobs in the Middle East, where only true professionals and genuine people are recruited. Maybe there are some exceptions, and a few people have managed to manipulate the system because it's not foolproof.

Best regards.

Brilliant HR Simplified.... I completely agree with you. There is seriously no need to pay attention to such questions that are completely not based on an informed perspective. There are much better things to do.

Dear Sister Vijeta Devi,

Ignorance rules your mind. Please read most of the posts on this site from so-called Indian HR professionals. One gentleman from India appointed as an HR manager in Kuwait, on another post, is asking what is HR Function?

You will come across the following kinds of questions repeatedly:

- I am an HR Executive/Manager, please guide me on how to establish HR function in the organization?
- I am an HR Manager - One employee was caught sleeping while on duty. What shall I do?
- I am an HR Manager - What is PF deduction? What is Challan No?
- I am an HR Manager - Can PF be deducted on Bonus and Gratuity?

All these kinds of ridiculous questions are being asked by Indian HR professionals who have been appointed as HR Managers or Executives.

Do you think these kinds of questions are asked by any truly qualified and certified HR professionals? Never, otherwise, their degree qualification is bogus, and their appointment as an HR manager is also fraud. This gives the impression that either these HR Executives and Managers are frauds, or their qualifications are fake, or else there is no need for any qualification in India to practice any profession.

What's up, Madam Vijeta Devi?

Captain

Dear Brother Captain Cook,

I would like to know what your motive is behind asking these questions. I don't think anyone here is denying that these situations are happening; however, we also have very intelligent professionals among us.

Brother, Ignorance never rules my mind, but I don't understand what you want to prove by asking these questions. What is it that you wish to hear from us?

I believe everyone should work on themselves, and automatically, it will become a better place to work.

Thank you.

I hate to disillusion you, but this happens everywhere. Here in South Africa, we have people who are appointed to high government positions without any qualifications or without verifying their qualifications. If they are black, they are in.

Many high political appointees have been toppled and made the news. There is a verification process, but if you supposedly have friends in high places, you can bypass that process. Because BEE is a deciding factor, standards need to be dropped to accommodate the majority. If you are young, competent, intelligent, and qualified, you are considered overqualified to be part of the human race.

However, there are practicing professionals without a qualification or credential. For example, the sangomas - witch doctors who practice traditional medicine - fortunately, they are not allowed to be a part of society in terms of granting sick leave for an employee. In the Hindu community as well, we have healing practices that have worked through generations but are not legal.

I can understand your frustration. You are qualified, experienced, and have the know-how to take you where you need to go, yet the government seems to be working against intelligence. People, as you have described, diminish what you have worked hard for.

Respected Mr. Cook,

Your wisdom has provided a profound realization of the unfortunate state in which current Indian HR professionals find themselves. However, I urge the seniors and moderators of this wonderful website to intervene in such unproductive discussions. I kindly request Mr. Cook to contribute rather than focusing on finding faults.

Regards,

Dear HR Qualified,

What's wrong in discussing the overall HR practices and situations in various parts of the world? Discussion always paves the way for new ideas and knowledge sharing. Nothing goes to waste in this world.

Captain

There you are.... you just gave the solution to all your miseries. Discuss and discuss with an open mind.

Discussing is not bad, but I have reservations on talking and quoting data just for the sake of it.

I can relate anything to anything and prove it. That does not mean what I say is right and what others have said is baseless. We all analyze things, situations, and issues based on our experiences and knowledge. We think what we have understood is the most appropriate understanding (which is not wrong, as some call it conviction, but again, not listening to others and arguing for the sake of it is a waste of time).

If you want to share knowledge, then participate, not debate.

Hope you could understand the perspective I am trying to share.

God bless.

Regards,

This is philosophy.

Every subject has two sides, and in what context we discuss those subjects depends on our target for conclusions.

First of all, you have to visit the Middle East and find out the truth about how most of the Indians camouflage qualifications and commit fraud with fake certificates, especially when 90 out of 100 people belong to one ethnic group from India, well known to us.

To my knowledge, I visited some factories where almost 100% of the workers belong to the same state and ethnicity.

You cannot say this has something to do with intelligence or intellectualism, but the entire mechanism is man-managed through fraudulent means.

For your kind information, the majority of unskilled jobs are sold in Kerala, Bangladesh, and Pakistan to migrant laborers with a minimum payment of Rs 100,000 to 300,000 per job, with systematic dealerships and agencies in these places from Mumbai to Dubai.

Our post is an eye-opener and educates people, exposing the risks and making people aware of the weaknesses in HR practices in the Middle East. It's all a matter of convenience and not anything to do with the competence or capabilities of people from India, Bangladesh, or Pakistan working in the Middle East.

Many people work for a minimum of 7 years without going back home because they cannot recover their investment or afford airfare to visit their hometown, especially in the initial five years of migrating to the Middle East.

Most agents cheat these poor migrant laborers with faulty promises, encouraging them to spend beyond their capacity to manage migration. There is nothing to be proud of in the Middle East for exploiting these people who lose their families, earnings, society, and the country they left everything for.

Instead of simplifying HR, you are making things more complicated. You are either overqualified or underqualified, but either way...

Badlu

There you are.... you just gave the solution to all your Miseries.... Discuss and discuss with an Open Mind.....

Discussing is not bad, but I have reservations about talking and quoting data just for the sake of it....

I can relate anything to anything and prove it... that does not mean what I say is right and what others have said is baseless... We all analyze things, situations, and issues based on our experiences and knowledge... and we think what we have understood is the most appropriate understanding. (Which is not wrong, as some call it Conviction... but again, not listening to others and arguing for the sake of it is a waste of time...)

If you want to share knowledge, then participate, not debate.....

Hope you could understand the perspective I am trying to share.....

God Bless

Regards,

Dear All,

Why waste our time discussing the useless perception of Mr. Captain Cook? We should rather engage ourselves in more beneficial activities. I have come across a plethora of courses talking about clinical hypnotherapy that are recognized by the India Board of Alternative Medicine. Please guide me about these courses.

With Regards,
R.K. Sharma

Mr. Cook, let me educate you about Keralites. Kerala is the only state that has achieved 100% literacy. If you have seen people starting as drivers and ending up as managers, it is not due to their fake certificates. They are much more sensible and capable of performing tasks better than someone holding a master's degree. Keep that in mind!

Thanks to all for sharing your insights. I was also surprised to hear from my Indian friend that no qualifications are required to practice any profession in India. I was also informed that people obtain fake engineering and medical degree certificates from printing presses in New Delhi and Mumbai, which are then sold to those in need.

In the Middle East, out of 100 Indians, 95 are from the state of Kerala. Many of them do not possess formal qualifications yet work in HR, administration, and secretarial jobs. I have personally encountered many Keralite citizens who, after working as drivers, now hold managerial positions in travel companies or hotels, claiming to have studied Business Management in India. However, I was informed by a Keralite that these degree certificates are fake and manipulated.

I have witnessed many such practices by Keralites and Filipinos in the Middle East, with fake certificates, working as doctors and engineers.

Regards,
Captain Cook

Ladies and Gentlemen,

An unknown person is provoking us and our sentiments. Let's forget/forgive the intruder who doesn't know our culture and realities, especially if he/she doesn't want to learn about India.

Captain Cook, let's stop this and do some constructive work in Dubai and India with us Indians.

Dear Cook,

After seeing all the posts, the conclusion is here: "Shak ka koi ilaaz nahi." Believe in originality and reality. Indians are highly talented and genuine. Perhaps you have met the wrong individuals. It's time to change your perceptions and ideologies about Indians.

Thanks,
Sushila