Dear All,
Please find the BBS presentation attached herewith. Kindly upload the BBS observation forms and actions taken at your end. This shall be interesting to those who are yet to start on BBS.
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Sudhir
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1310Please find the BBS presentation attached herewith. Kindly upload the BBS observation forms and actions taken at your end. This shall be interesting to those who are yet to start on BBS.
Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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Dear Seniors Do you have any format of BBS observation Sheet? If so please upload which will be useful to us. Best Regards, AITES
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Dear sir, Same problem we are facing like we can’t understand what u want to understand through ppt . I request u pls again show a nice presentation Thanks & Regards Kavitak
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Dear Friend Try to be professional and polite while particiating in such meaningful forums... What answer you need, make it clear???
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Dear All,
I had an opportunity to discuss with a Human Activist who is actively working as part of an NGO in our country. According to him, he was against BBS. He was saying that BBS only points out human errors, whereas behind every incident, there has to be a System Factor. When it comes to BBS, we are only focusing on the Human Factor or Human Failure, and the System factor gets overlooked.
He also mentioned that the Heinrich Theory has been proven wrong. Can anyone here provide updates or confirm this statement?
I believe that almost all accidents are caused by Unsafe Acts (96% as per DuPont and the presentation by Mr. Sudhir attached earlier). Do you think BBS could be a great tool to bring about cultural change in any organization? What are your thoughts?
I invite everyone to share their views on the statements above. Let's have a positive discussion and try to reach a common conclusion.
Thank you.
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I had an opportunity to discuss with a Human Activist who is actively working as part of an NGO in our country. According to him, he was against BBS. He was saying that BBS only points out human errors, whereas behind every incident, there has to be a System Factor. When it comes to BBS, we are only focusing on the Human Factor or Human Failure, and the System factor gets overlooked.
He also mentioned that the Heinrich Theory has been proven wrong. Can anyone here provide updates or confirm this statement?
I believe that almost all accidents are caused by Unsafe Acts (96% as per DuPont and the presentation by Mr. Sudhir attached earlier). Do you think BBS could be a great tool to bring about cultural change in any organization? What are your thoughts?
I invite everyone to share their views on the statements above. Let's have a positive discussion and try to reach a common conclusion.
Thank you.
From India
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Dear Dipil,
I do not agree with the NGO. If 96% of accidents are caused by unsafe behavior, there has to be a system to capture them. I also believe that the Heinrich Theory is a perfect one. I regularly visit one of our suppliers for training on Safety for their employees. This is a medium-sized industry. Minor accidents were routine in this company. After a few visits and understanding some of the accidents, I predicted they were very close to a Major Accident.
My thoughts were reflected in the training deliverables. Within 45 days from then, there was a Fatal Accident in this company. The Heinrich Triangle proved correct here. There were 30 cases of Lost Time Injuries (LTI) and adverse remarks from Government Authorities.
In another incident, one company had a major Fire twice. The things depend a lot on culture, and Behavior-Based Safety (BBS) would help in bringing the Safety Culture. However, BBS should not be for disciplinary actions; it should be used as an improvement tool. For example, people should be trained and made aware of probable risks. Actions like warnings, memos, notices, transfers, etc., are to be avoided.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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I do not agree with the NGO. If 96% of accidents are caused by unsafe behavior, there has to be a system to capture them. I also believe that the Heinrich Theory is a perfect one. I regularly visit one of our suppliers for training on Safety for their employees. This is a medium-sized industry. Minor accidents were routine in this company. After a few visits and understanding some of the accidents, I predicted they were very close to a Major Accident.
My thoughts were reflected in the training deliverables. Within 45 days from then, there was a Fatal Accident in this company. The Heinrich Triangle proved correct here. There were 30 cases of Lost Time Injuries (LTI) and adverse remarks from Government Authorities.
In another incident, one company had a major Fire twice. The things depend a lot on culture, and Behavior-Based Safety (BBS) would help in bringing the Safety Culture. However, BBS should not be for disciplinary actions; it should be used as an improvement tool. For example, people should be trained and made aware of probable risks. Actions like warnings, memos, notices, transfers, etc., are to be avoided.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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Dear Dipil Sir,
Thanks for the reply. As the website is blocked in our company, I cannot be regular. Sometimes it is not possible to go to the net cafe and visit. My email id is aitesaurangabad@yahoo.co.in. Please email me the format.
Aites
From India, Nasik
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Thanks for the reply. As the website is blocked in our company, I cannot be regular. Sometimes it is not possible to go to the net cafe and visit. My email id is aitesaurangabad@yahoo.co.in. Please email me the format.
Aites
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@Dipil,
Thank you for initiating the discussion. I do not know if the person you refer to was other than me. What happened in Dupont - the very company which propagated BBS? All interested must visit: Deprecated Browser Error.
After Heinrich, several scientists worked on accident causation and prevention and have come up with theories. ILO published a wonderful book on the subject long back (I have a copy). I had the privilege to attend an International Course organized by IIT Delhi, which was in collaboration with a Swedish University.
Students undergoing DIS courses are never given exposure to the whole politics of safety and are also not exposed to new ideas. Our courses and organizations are heavily tilted and do not want to show the other side of the story.
All those who want to know why BBS is being criticized worldwide by activists, please follow the link: Behavioural safety - Hazards magazine.
I am prepared to organize a workshop on the subject if members are interested.
From India, Coimbatore
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Thank you for initiating the discussion. I do not know if the person you refer to was other than me. What happened in Dupont - the very company which propagated BBS? All interested must visit: Deprecated Browser Error.
After Heinrich, several scientists worked on accident causation and prevention and have come up with theories. ILO published a wonderful book on the subject long back (I have a copy). I had the privilege to attend an International Course organized by IIT Delhi, which was in collaboration with a Swedish University.
Students undergoing DIS courses are never given exposure to the whole politics of safety and are also not exposed to new ideas. Our courses and organizations are heavily tilted and do not want to show the other side of the story.
All those who want to know why BBS is being criticized worldwide by activists, please follow the link: Behavioural safety - Hazards magazine.
I am prepared to organize a workshop on the subject if members are interested.
From India, Coimbatore
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The primary responsibility for making a workplace safe should lie with those who make the management and spending decisions, not those on the shop floor who have to live (or die) with the consequences of them.
See: http://www.hazards.org/bs
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See: http://www.hazards.org/bs
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@Jagdish Patel
Dear Sir
Thanks for your participation into the thread... Its shows that seniors like you are reading all the discussions which are going on here even though not participating actively... I was mentioning our discussions only in my earlier posting...
Even though If I fully agrees to your comments against BBS then what is the best method available in Industry today for the prevention of Accidents? Any system offering 100% incident free atmosphere? Any proven method in the industry which is guaranteeing that there will not be any fatality if you adopt the same...
If you don't mind please come up with your comments... Why BBS is getting more importance in today’s industrial scenario if it is not a proven tool for bringing cultural change towards safety?
I am not commenting anything about the DuPont Video which you have mentioned... But one think whether DuPont claiming that if any company following their BBS there will not be any fatality... As per my knowledge NO... They claiming only if you follow all the set rules of the company stringently you can achieve better results... Following is the proverb from DuPont and this is only what they claim:
"You will always get the level of safety what you demonstrate you want and not what you say you want"
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Dear Sir
Thanks for your participation into the thread... Its shows that seniors like you are reading all the discussions which are going on here even though not participating actively... I was mentioning our discussions only in my earlier posting...
Even though If I fully agrees to your comments against BBS then what is the best method available in Industry today for the prevention of Accidents? Any system offering 100% incident free atmosphere? Any proven method in the industry which is guaranteeing that there will not be any fatality if you adopt the same...
If you don't mind please come up with your comments... Why BBS is getting more importance in today’s industrial scenario if it is not a proven tool for bringing cultural change towards safety?
I am not commenting anything about the DuPont Video which you have mentioned... But one think whether DuPont claiming that if any company following their BBS there will not be any fatality... As per my knowledge NO... They claiming only if you follow all the set rules of the company stringently you can achieve better results... Following is the proverb from DuPont and this is only what they claim:
"You will always get the level of safety what you demonstrate you want and not what you say you want"
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@ Dipil,
I hope you are familiar with the Domino theory of accident causation. Scientists have developed numerous models for accident investigation, and it is essential for everyone interested to understand each model's pros and cons. Swedish scientists have introduced the term "Accidentology" for this purpose, and I recommend exploring publications from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
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I hope you are familiar with the Domino theory of accident causation. Scientists have developed numerous models for accident investigation, and it is essential for everyone interested to understand each model's pros and cons. Swedish scientists have introduced the term "Accidentology" for this purpose, and I recommend exploring publications from the Karolinska Institute in Sweden.
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Dear All
When I was reading more about Heinrich's Domino Theory I came across through below sentence:
"To be fair to Heinrich, he does insist that “the responsibility lies first of all with the employer.” (38 ) (italics in original) Heinrich specifies that a truly safety-conscious manager (of 1950) will make sure his “foremen” and “workers” do as their told, and “exercise his prerogative and obtain compliance ... follow through and see the unsafe conditions are eliminated.” Heinrich’s remedy for such non-compliance is strict supervision, remedial training, and discipline."
If Heinrich is pointing out this through his theory, I think he is fully correct... Behind any incident there has to be a System Cause - Lack from the employer part...
Can anyone come with the write up's which is stating clear reasons of why Heinrich's Domino Theory is not right one or acceptable one today... I am very curious to know the reasons...
From India
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When I was reading more about Heinrich's Domino Theory I came across through below sentence:
"To be fair to Heinrich, he does insist that “the responsibility lies first of all with the employer.” (38 ) (italics in original) Heinrich specifies that a truly safety-conscious manager (of 1950) will make sure his “foremen” and “workers” do as their told, and “exercise his prerogative and obtain compliance ... follow through and see the unsafe conditions are eliminated.” Heinrich’s remedy for such non-compliance is strict supervision, remedial training, and discipline."
If Heinrich is pointing out this through his theory, I think he is fully correct... Behind any incident there has to be a System Cause - Lack from the employer part...
Can anyone come with the write up's which is stating clear reasons of why Heinrich's Domino Theory is not right one or acceptable one today... I am very curious to know the reasons...
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Dear Dipil,
I would not like to enter into the debate on Henrich Theory.
The ultimate aim of any safety professional is to reduce accidents and achieve the Zero Accident Goal. If we start the debate, one may win an argument, but will that reduce accidents?
I could not even go through the links given by Mr. Jagdish Patel due to lack of time. Instead, I welcome any positive suggestions on accident reduction.
In our company, I instructed my team to analyze and identify if there are repetitive accidents involving any employees. We analyzed the data since 2000 and found cases where some workers have experienced more than two accidents.
During counseling, one individual revealed family issues that inadvertently led to accidents. We relocated him to a low-hazard area through job rotation.
In another case, a worker was highly productive and eager to achieve more. Through counseling, we advised him to be cautious, ensuring his normal output and reducing accidents.
Some cases involved negligence. We provided training, showed safety motivational films, and witnessed significant improvement in their safety practices.
While Behavior-Based Safety (BBS) may have controversies, it should be left to the safety professionals of each company to decide whether to implement it.
In my experience, BBS has been beneficial. I recall a proverb, "If you do not want to solve a problem, confuse the issue (Formula C)." I encourage all professionals to try it and observe the results.
However, it is crucial to remember that BBS should not be used for disciplinary actions. The focus should be on training, counseling, motivation, etc., with the aim of achieving positive outcomes.
I hope to achieve results similar to the ones we have seen.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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I would not like to enter into the debate on Henrich Theory.
The ultimate aim of any safety professional is to reduce accidents and achieve the Zero Accident Goal. If we start the debate, one may win an argument, but will that reduce accidents?
I could not even go through the links given by Mr. Jagdish Patel due to lack of time. Instead, I welcome any positive suggestions on accident reduction.
In our company, I instructed my team to analyze and identify if there are repetitive accidents involving any employees. We analyzed the data since 2000 and found cases where some workers have experienced more than two accidents.
During counseling, one individual revealed family issues that inadvertently led to accidents. We relocated him to a low-hazard area through job rotation.
In another case, a worker was highly productive and eager to achieve more. Through counseling, we advised him to be cautious, ensuring his normal output and reducing accidents.
Some cases involved negligence. We provided training, showed safety motivational films, and witnessed significant improvement in their safety practices.
While Behavior-Based Safety (BBS) may have controversies, it should be left to the safety professionals of each company to decide whether to implement it.
In my experience, BBS has been beneficial. I recall a proverb, "If you do not want to solve a problem, confuse the issue (Formula C)." I encourage all professionals to try it and observe the results.
However, it is crucial to remember that BBS should not be used for disciplinary actions. The focus should be on training, counseling, motivation, etc., with the aim of achieving positive outcomes.
I hope to achieve results similar to the ones we have seen.
Thanks & Regards,
Sudhir
From India, Vadodara
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@ Dipil
I suppose Heinrich's theory is not known as the domino theory. Behavior-centric solutions have never worked. Heinrich was the first person to look at accidents the way he did, analyze, and come up with principles. Scientists of later years improved on his work and came up with better ideas.
I do not agree with Sudhir. At an intellectual level, the discussion must go on to better generate an understanding of the problem and arrive at better solutions.
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I suppose Heinrich's theory is not known as the domino theory. Behavior-centric solutions have never worked. Heinrich was the first person to look at accidents the way he did, analyze, and come up with principles. Scientists of later years improved on his work and came up with better ideas.
I do not agree with Sudhir. At an intellectual level, the discussion must go on to better generate an understanding of the problem and arrive at better solutions.
From India, Coimbatore
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Dear Sir,
When searching the net about Heinrich's theory, what we are getting is in the name of the domino theory only. So, I am requesting you to clarify what is the actual Heinrich Theory. If possible, please share any write-up or book on the same with me as it is always and everywhere referred to as the basic fundamental of safety. Therefore, a clear understanding of this is very much required.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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When searching the net about Heinrich's theory, what we are getting is in the name of the domino theory only. So, I am requesting you to clarify what is the actual Heinrich Theory. If possible, please share any write-up or book on the same with me as it is always and everywhere referred to as the basic fundamental of safety. Therefore, a clear understanding of this is very much required.
Hope to hear from you soon.
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Dear Dipil,
I think I have Heinrich's theory book with me (will search in my collection) and let you know as soon as possible.
I have a habit of reading books sometimes when I feel alone. Last week, I bought the third version of "Loss Control Leadership/Management" by Frank E. Bird Jr, George L. Germain, and M. Douglas Clark.
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I think I have Heinrich's theory book with me (will search in my collection) and let you know as soon as possible.
I have a habit of reading books sometimes when I feel alone. Last week, I bought the third version of "Loss Control Leadership/Management" by Frank E. Bird Jr, George L. Germain, and M. Douglas Clark.
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Dear friend,
If you are interested in enriching your understanding of BBS further, firstly, you need to grasp the whole concept of it. Please note that observation sheets vary from one activity to another, from one industry to another, and from workmen to managers. This means that they have to be designed according to specific needs.
I can help you comprehend the BBS concept and its implementation, as I am a BBS trainer and have conducted numerous training programs in highly prestigious industries.
Please send your proposal to - g.satish1960@gmail.com.
From India, Kota
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If you are interested in enriching your understanding of BBS further, firstly, you need to grasp the whole concept of it. Please note that observation sheets vary from one activity to another, from one industry to another, and from workmen to managers. This means that they have to be designed according to specific needs.
I can help you comprehend the BBS concept and its implementation, as I am a BBS trainer and have conducted numerous training programs in highly prestigious industries.
Please send your proposal to - g.satish1960@gmail.com.
From India, Kota
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Guys,
Thanks for initiating such a nice discussion regarding BBS.
Not being negative, BBS is a great tool if used correctly; otherwise, this is just a waste of time and money. What large companies do is they will hire a third-party company who specializes in Behavioral Safety and implement the program for the projects. The program usually comes with fancy training, software, figures, etc.
For the last 12 years, I have been working in HSE and have never seen an observer or manager doing a proper BBS observation with the employees on the ground; instead, they fill out the BBS form in their office and the data is entered into the system. What is the point of doing this? Some of you may say that this is only happening in your company. Still, honestly, I can say that this is the situation in almost all companies. I will stick to my belief unless someone can prove that a BBS program has reduced the number of incidents or injuries.
The presentation attached was very informative. Also, one thing to add: Incentives/Awards should not be based on the number of accidents or lost time injuries. The absence of incidents or injuries does not denote the presence of safety.
Mr. Dipil, if you don't mind, can you please send me the BBS form to my email for me to have a look?
Thanks,
Sam
From Azerbaijan, Baku
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Thanks for initiating such a nice discussion regarding BBS.
Not being negative, BBS is a great tool if used correctly; otherwise, this is just a waste of time and money. What large companies do is they will hire a third-party company who specializes in Behavioral Safety and implement the program for the projects. The program usually comes with fancy training, software, figures, etc.
For the last 12 years, I have been working in HSE and have never seen an observer or manager doing a proper BBS observation with the employees on the ground; instead, they fill out the BBS form in their office and the data is entered into the system. What is the point of doing this? Some of you may say that this is only happening in your company. Still, honestly, I can say that this is the situation in almost all companies. I will stick to my belief unless someone can prove that a BBS program has reduced the number of incidents or injuries.
The presentation attached was very informative. Also, one thing to add: Incentives/Awards should not be based on the number of accidents or lost time injuries. The absence of incidents or injuries does not denote the presence of safety.
Mr. Dipil, if you don't mind, can you please send me the BBS form to my email for me to have a look?
Thanks,
Sam
From Azerbaijan, Baku
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