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Dear All,

Regarding late coming or three instances of lateness resulting in a one-day salary deduction, it is important to clarify the policy on grace periods. Typically, there should be a grace period of at least 10 to 15 minutes for employees to arrive without being considered late. If an individual exceeds this grace period, then it would be classified as late coming.

For a more effective response, it is advisable to communicate the policy clearly to all employees to avoid any misunderstandings or confusion.

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From India, Bangalore
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Dear,
Employee's are expected to adhere to office timings. A grace time of 15 minutes is permitted after which it will be treated as “Late – Coming”. This is limited to 3 late – marks ever month. For every late – coming thereafter, employee's attendance will be considered as 'half working day' i.e. ˝ day Leave Without Pay (LWP).
If an employee reports for duty 2 hours after the commencement of business hours, it will be treated as half day. If an employee leaves office more than two hours before closing time., it will be treated as half day & it should not exceed more than three occasions in a month. Leave application form to be filled while availing such occasions.
Jitendra Dorle

From India, Nagpur
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Dear Jitendra, Thanks a ton! But please tell me grace period should be there or not. Or it is also something which depends on company to give or not to give.
From India, Bangalore
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Dear Aarti,

Rules are rules after all, and everyone who needs to work in the organization should follow the prescribed rules. Late coming can be considered acceptable only once or twice a month if there is a valid reason. However, if it occurs more than twice, it may become a habit on the part of the employee. Therefore, habitual misconduct of this nature should not be tolerated under any circumstances.

A grace period of up to 10 minutes should be allowed. However, this does not mean that one should aim to arrive within the grace period every day. If an individual is late more than three times, a written warning should be issued. If the behavior continues even after the warning, a show-cause notice should be given, followed by the appropriate disciplinary action.

Regards, KIRAN KALE

From India, Kolhapur
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  • Aarti,

    As per my thoughts, there should be a grace period for employee login and logout timings. As a company, everyone should focus more on the total number of working hours (daily/weekly) rather than counting minute/second details. The company can initiate action on an employee when they notice a pattern/trend over a period of time; in your case, 3 days is too short for any observations.

    The company/HR should not get rude to employees by immediately adopting the last measure as their first course of action. In the first place, any impact/changes have to be proactively communicated to the employees and should not come as a surprise. In your case, I am not sure if this was informed to you beforehand or if it came as a surprise.

    Thanks,
    Nisha

    From India, Bangalore
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  • Dear Aarti,

    Our office timing is from 9 am to 6 pm. The office allows a 1/2 hour grace period, so all staff is expected to arrive by 9.30 am. After 9.30 am, there is no grace period or exceptions. If someone arrives at 9.31 am, it is considered a half-day absence.

    We have raised this issue with our boss, but there have been no changes made since we already have a half-hour grace period. However, late sitting in the evening for work is not taken into account in the calculation. This results in us losing half a day's salary for being just 1 or 5 minutes late. Additionally, holidays are also affected. Unfortunately, it seems that the rules cannot be altered.

    Thank you.

    [Your Name]

    From India, Pune
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    Dear Aarti,

    It depends on company to company. Some companies do give a 15-minute grace period for the whole month; there is no limitation like three days. It is totally inhumane if a company is deducting half a day's leave for a single minute. There is no hard and fast rule like this. A company can provide this grace period if it chooses to do so.

    From India, New Delhi
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    Dear Friends working in HR and other fields, with my experience to date, let me guide you regarding late coming and grace period etiquette.

    As a company, we need to present ourselves on time to customers and strictly adhere to office timings as specified. We cannot know if a person is waiting for the clock to strike 9 to call our office and discuss something with Mr. X or if someone is waiting at reception to be guided.

    When a company like CITEHR LTD gives official timing as 09:00 AM to 06:00 PM, it is understood unofficially that every employee needs to be present at the workplace and ready at 09:00 AM. It is not just about punching the time/attendance card at 09:00. I have seen employees punching the card at 08:55, then going to the restroom to comb hair, apply lipstick, makeup, visit the pantry, and chat with colleagues, finally ending up ready at the workplace around 09:20. Does this make sense? No. The time at which you are ready at the workplace really does make a big impression of your punctuality trait, which portrays you as a successful candidate for promotions.

    Unofficially, you are expected to reach CITEHR LTD around 08:40 or 08:50, dispose of any accessories, dresses like overcoat, helmet, go to the restroom to comb, apply makeup, tuck in your shirt, etc., and be ready by 9. Now you understand why we feel frustrated when the EB/TELEPHONE BILL COUNTER does not open promptly at 9. The delay affects the service, leading to dissatisfied customers waiting outside the counter, potentially resulting in a loss of clients.

    Unofficially, you are expected to arrive at 08:40 AM and depending on your preparation, be ready at your workplace at 09:00 sharp. While some companies explicitly state the readiness time as 09:00, in my career, I have always arrived well in advance and been ready well before time.

    Companies do provide a grace period for unexpected circumstances like traffic jams, punctures, train delays, etc. However, this grace period is for rare cases and not for daily occurrences. In case of Cynthia, not all staff need to arrive by 09:30; they should be present at 09:00. Only some staff who encounter unexpected circumstances can utilize the grace period. The half-hour grace period is there, and if someone consistently disregards it, appropriate actions need to be taken. Rules are rules; just like you wouldn't argue with the police for not wearing a helmet, one must understand the importance of time and the grace period provided.

    It is essential to understand that rules are in place to ensure everyone follows them, even if not all employees comprehend this concept.

    From India, Madras
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    Dear,

    The issue of late coming must be addressed in the industrial standing order. The following points should be included:

    (i) Clarification on the number of instances an employee is allowed to arrive late, as stipulated in the standing order.

    (ii) Consequences for those who exceed the allowed number of late arrivals, such as a deduction of half-day's salary.

    (iii) Specification that late arrival is considered within the range of 10 to 15 minutes only.

    Thank you.

    From India, Madras
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    Dear All,

    It is surprising to note that all of us are expected to report to the office promptly at 9:00 am, yet we are not allowed to leave at 5:30 pm as scheduled. We are consistently instructed to complete our work and then leave, regardless of whether it is 5:30 pm or later. In this case, why is the designated departure time not being adhered to?

    Thank you.

    From India, Pune
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    Shweta,

    I completely agree with you on this. Most of the employees keep blaming the management for being strict, and they do not delve into the reasons why these rules are made.

    Thanks,
    Shweta :)

    From India, Pune
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    Dear Aarti,

    Three instances of being up to 10 minutes late are typically allowed in most organizations, as any misconduct beyond three times is considered habitual. Ultimately, we need to ensure productivity from our employees. Implementing strict actions for such misconduct may lead to unrest among the employees. To address and control this issue, gather information from employees about the reasons for their tardiness. These reasons could vary, so work on understanding them and identify solutions that will make employees feel more comfortable. This initiative will demonstrate your caring nature and yield positive results for the organization. It will also enable you to counsel employees who may be causing disruptions within the organization.

    If the reasons provided are not genuine, consider posting a notice on the notice board stating that half a day's salary will be deducted for each instance of lateness exceeding three times. Many organizations employ this practice to manage employee punctuality. Additionally, issue advisory memos and warning letters to employees who exhibit misconduct.

    Your actions towards one employee can serve as a lesson for the entire group of employees.

    Regards,

    PRAMOD.

    From India, Thana
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    Dear Ravi,,,,,,,,,, Thank you so much for making me understand, all the late coming funda,,,,,,& I agreed,rally a minute also makes very big different in the life,,,,,,,,,, Thank You so much,,,,,,,
    From India, Pune
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    To my knowledge, and to sum up, it is better to define "the rules for late coming/reporting in the office" in the HR manual/guidelines that the company has established for its employees. This will help provide clear direction to all those who arrive late and prevent HR personnel from relying on situational judgment.
    From India, New Delhi
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  • But, my question is like.. if a employee has working till late hrs.. should we allow him in Late comings..?
    From India, Mumbai
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    (Fact Checked)-The employee's late hours should not excuse consistent tardiness. Punctuality standards should be upheld fairly for all employees. (1 Acknowledge point)
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  • Hello All,

    Can anybody help me with the below issue?

    In my organization, office timing is from 10 AM to 7 PM. We have a policy that states if any employee arrives after 10 AM, even at 10:01, it will be considered as a half-day. Due to this stringent policy, my salary has been deducted several times. I fail to comprehend how one can evaluate an employee's productivity based on such a rigid rule. I often work until 7:30, but being a minute or two late results in being marked as half a day absent.

    Please assist me in drafting a letter to the Assistant Vice President of Human Resources to request a change in this policy.

    Nirav Shah
    Ahmedabad

    From India
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    Hi Aarthi,

    Human beings are not machines. As an HR person, we must implement timing policies, but at the same time, we must have empathy for others. We need to help them understand the importance and necessity of timekeeping. Simply deducting an employee's salary will not achieve anything positive. It can instill fear in employees towards HR, causing them to avoid seeking help and hesitate to come forward for anything. This, in turn, can lead to a decrease in their confidence in management, ultimately resulting in reduced job satisfaction and decreased productivity.

    It is crucial to implement work time policies and ensure that employees understand the rules and regulations. Our goal should be to encourage employees to work with the company rather than just for the company.

    Thank you.

    From India, Chennai
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  • I think companies should allow flexible working hours unless the job actually requires specific time commitments, such as for a sales representative. Humans are not machines. Every individual has different needs, and they are most productive when granted flexibility. Some of our co-workers are most productive during the early morning hours, while others are at their peak in the evening.

    Thank you for your message.

    From India, Mumbai
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    Can an employer deduct salary retrospectively like deduct from July’s salary for late comings from the month of January to June
    From India, Chennai
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    Employees are expected to adhere to office timings. Recently it has been found that the employees have started taking the office timings lightly. There has been increase in the late comers. Every now and then company is finding people coming late to the office.
    The Management has been decided to take strict action against the employees who are coming late on duty. There will be no grace time and for every late coming employee attendance will be considered as ‘half working day’
    The Management has always accepted the genuine reasons for being late but when employees start taking privileges for granted then it becomes responsibility of company to take required action. So from now onwards no late coming requests would be accepted which may please be noted.

    From India, Pune
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    Hi Aarti,

    It depends on the company's policy. You can implement an attendance policy, and most companies provide a 10 to 15 minutes grace period for employees three times a month. However, it is according to the law, and by law, no one has the authority to deduct your salary without any warning or formal notification.

    As an employee, everyone should not break the rules or policies.

    Sunil Kumar

    From India, Patiala
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    Hi,

    I just joined this conversation about latecoming and deductions of half-day salary. In my office, the same has been implemented very recently and I deducted my two months' back salary due to latecoming. Due to this deduction, the salary we received for the month is even less than 50% of the monthly income.

    I have a small kid less than 2 years old whom I put in a creche that opens at 9:30 itself, which is the closest to my home and is also safe. While my office timings are 9:30 to 5:30, I always reach the office by 10:15 or so due to this reason. My office doesn't have any creche facility and is located on the outskirts of the city where not even proper residential complexes are established.

    As a helpless mother, I have no choice but to reach the office late. In terms of work assignments, the tasks were always completed on time, and even during odd hours, I used to work for my office over the phone. I submitted a request letter for relaxation on timing due to no creche facility in the office and other personal reasons. In return, my employer has started creating a harsh environment around me.

    While at the same time, they allowed a few other employees to come late to the office with no deduction in their salary too. We also tried to ask why such discrimination among the employees, but instead of giving a reply, they are trying to put me in more difficult situations.

    Please reply with what I should do.

    Meenakshi

    From India, Haldwani
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  • Dear Aarti, Three times late coming up to 10 minutes is permitted in most of the organisations as any misconduct above three times considered as habitual.
    From India, Bhalta
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    Hi. I joined this discussion pretty late. I believe a company should bother more about work completion, client handling, and target meeting. An organization that micromanages employees levies heavy penalties on late coming. On the contrary, expecting the employees to sit extra and contribute late sittings voluntarily creates toxic environments that should be avoided. There is no use in affecting your mental stress and hormones over such an organization. If you know you are a sincere worker and unless you are helpless to work in the same organization, look elsewhere and find a better employer who focuses on and appreciates your work. Change your location if that helps you find better jobs. Life is too short to spend cribbing about double deductions and penalties.
    From India, Delhi
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    if any one come late upto 3 days, 1/2 absent will be marked. after 3 days late, 1 day absent will be marked.
    From India, New+Delhi
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    Dear All,

    Greetings.

    We have the following rules and regulations in our organization with a total strength of 350+ employees.

    Rules for Regular and Habitual Latecomers and/or Early Goers:

    Over time, management has observed that a large number of employees are misusing the leniency granted by the management and have developed a habit of either coming late, leaving early, or taking breaks during duty hours. This behavior results in delays in completing work, missing targeted deadlines, and increasing indiscipline among staff members.

    Therefore, the company has installed a Biometric Face Attendance Recorder. This machine will scan the face of the employee in front of it, compare it with the stored data, and record their attendance along with the time of arrival and departure from the premises.

    Each employee is required to work a minimum of 54 hours per week, including a lunch break, with punctual arrival and departure from the office.

    To restore the original work culture of SMPL, the following attendance rules have been established:

    1. The attendance recorded in the Biometric Face Attendance Recorder will be the basis for calculating salary and wages earned by each employee for a specific month. Hence, every employee must use the recorder to record their arrival and departure times without any choice.

    2. If the Biometric Face Attendance Recorder is not functioning for any reason, manual signing with arrival and departure times should be used.

    3. If an employee fails to use the Biometric Face Attendance Recorder on a particular date for both arrival and departure times, they will be considered completely absent without leave.

    4. If an employee uses the recorder only once on a particular date, it will be assumed they came to the office but left without working, resulting in being marked as absent.

    5. If an employee is late or leaves early by up to 15 minutes on three occasions in a calendar month, they will be marked as half-day leave.

    6. If an employee is late or leaves early by more than 15 minutes but up to 30 minutes on three occasions in a calendar month, they will be marked as one-day leave.

    7. If an employee is late or leaves early by more than 30 minutes on any occasion, they will be marked as half-day leave for that day.

    8. If an employee's total work hours for the week do not reach 54 hours due to being late, leaving early, or taking breaks, they will be marked half-day leave for every 2 hours of less work.

    9. If three half-day leaves are marked in any month due to late arrival or early departure, the employee will be monitored.

    10. Regular and punctual attendance will impact results, annual increments, and the performance bonus for employees.

    11. Management reserves the right to modify or substitute any of the above provisions.

    12. This arrangement is effective immediately.

    13. Every employee must sign this circular to acknowledge that they have read and understood it thoroughly.

    The purpose of these rules is to instill discipline among the staff to ensure timely completion of work assigned by customers. We operate in the service sector, which requires us to maintain a predetermined schedule to remain competitive in the market.

    Suggestions are always welcome from any source.

    Jawaharlal Moondra
    +919829028028
    +912912777777
    jawaharlalmoondra@hotmail.com

    From India, Jodhpur
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    Dear Members,

    There is no rule or law that permits laxity in working hours. Yes, local rules have been established by organizations to address latecoming, and these rules may vary from one organization to another. Therefore, there is nothing inherently right or wrong in allowing for a grace period for employees to arrive at the workplace.

    Col. Rathi

    From India, Delhi
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