While changing my job from my old employer to a new employer, would it be okay if my package was a bit higher to get a better salary in the new company? Is this a regular practice?
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Mangesh
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Thanks for your help!
Mangesh
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I am rather surprised that you are asking such a question. Do you know the consequences of such an action if caught? What would your reaction be if the company exaggerated the work involved just to get you and you find that the job is routine?
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Simhan
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Greetings,
I second Simhan and request you to avoid it. I agree many talents try and often get through, for some time. The fudging document and data are very easy to identify. Salary information is cross-checked with a bank statement. Even if the salary slips and offer/appointment are fudged, it doesn't take too long to identify them. Please stay away from it. I would rather point out that if you are in a lower salary bracket of your role, you stand a better chance of being hired. Every employer would want to hire a candidate who is skilled yet economically viable. This allows them to hire the candidate faster, train, and promote them through roles. Request you to give my suggestion a thought. Wish you all the best!
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I second Simhan and request you to avoid it. I agree many talents try and often get through, for some time. The fudging document and data are very easy to identify. Salary information is cross-checked with a bank statement. Even if the salary slips and offer/appointment are fudged, it doesn't take too long to identify them. Please stay away from it. I would rather point out that if you are in a lower salary bracket of your role, you stand a better chance of being hired. Every employer would want to hire a candidate who is skilled yet economically viable. This allows them to hire the candidate faster, train, and promote them through roles. Request you to give my suggestion a thought. Wish you all the best!
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Hello Mangesh,
I am with Simhan & (Cite Contribution). Also, forget about whether 'this is a regular practice' or not. Just answer this for yourself: is this the RIGHT practice? Since both Simhan & (Cite Contribution) have covered the logic & consequences, all I would like to add is a Quote of Abraham Lincoln: "You can fool all people for some time, some people all the time, but YOU CAN'T fool all the people all the time." If you really want to test your luck, go ahead & try it out—but later please don't post a thread in CiteHR to suggest how to get out of the situation...since, as far as I can see, the outcome is a foregone conclusion [more a matter of 'WHEN' rather than 'if'].
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TS
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I am with Simhan & (Cite Contribution). Also, forget about whether 'this is a regular practice' or not. Just answer this for yourself: is this the RIGHT practice? Since both Simhan & (Cite Contribution) have covered the logic & consequences, all I would like to add is a Quote of Abraham Lincoln: "You can fool all people for some time, some people all the time, but YOU CAN'T fool all the people all the time." If you really want to test your luck, go ahead & try it out—but later please don't post a thread in CiteHR to suggest how to get out of the situation...since, as far as I can see, the outcome is a foregone conclusion [more a matter of 'WHEN' rather than 'if'].
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TS
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Hello Mangesh,
If this thread has been posted along with the one mentioned below, then the only impression I get is this: 'you are trying to act smart' by misusing this Forum. https://www.citehr.com/346797-what-d...ml#post1598894 By posting innocuous-looking threads like these, you aren't doing anyone a favor, including yourself.
Rgds,
TS
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If this thread has been posted along with the one mentioned below, then the only impression I get is this: 'you are trying to act smart' by misusing this Forum. https://www.citehr.com/346797-what-d...ml#post1598894 By posting innocuous-looking threads like these, you aren't doing anyone a favor, including yourself.
Rgds,
TS
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Dear Mangesh,
Please never think of cheating anybody. You are quite young and have a very bright future. Please do not shadow it with lies. It is really your goodness that you confirmed it from the forum and all seniors have warned you against it. Please follow their advice. God bless you.
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Please never think of cheating anybody. You are quite young and have a very bright future. Please do not shadow it with lies. It is really your goodness that you confirmed it from the forum and all seniors have warned you against it. Please follow their advice. God bless you.
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I am not trying to "act smart" I had two queries, so i asked them, and about "misusing this Forum" I didn’t mean to, but this is free forum and I have all rights to ask what I want to ask.
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Hi,
This should actually be a no-brainer, and I'm amazed at how someone can even ask a question like this! Are you aware of the consequences if caught? Word of mouth spreads fast in the corporate world, and you'll be surprised at how many people would find out about it if you get caught! Your whole career would be at stake, all for a package - which would get raised eventually - based on your performance capabilities. I would advise you not to do this at any cost.
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This should actually be a no-brainer, and I'm amazed at how someone can even ask a question like this! Are you aware of the consequences if caught? Word of mouth spreads fast in the corporate world, and you'll be surprised at how many people would find out about it if you get caught! Your whole career would be at stake, all for a package - which would get raised eventually - based on your performance capabilities. I would advise you not to do this at any cost.
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Hello Mangesh,
I do understand when you mention "......about 'misusing this Forum' I didn't mean to". After all, no one knows everything or does everything right, me included—that's what this Forum is for.
And there's nothing to bar anyone from asking multiple queries in a single posting—especially if they are related [which yours seem to be]. In fact, that would give those responding a chance to give a more well-informed guidance/suggestion.
Coming to your comments "........this is a free forum and I have all 'rights' to ask what I want to ask...".
I suggest you don't ever think along those lines, since that attitude would more than likely take you on a path where the motive/intent veers away from your act—either of asking or doing.
It would be like someone saying: India is a free country, so I have all 'rights' to do what I want to do"—hope you get the meaning and the correlation to what you mentioned.
This Forum is for those who are in a GENUINE NEED for sharing, knowing, and for those who make GENUINE MISTAKES. It is NOT for those who put across queries with the intention to misuse, abuse, or misrepresent. Just look at some of the recent queries and the responses, and you would be able to realize what this means and entails [one member asked brazenly for guidance for 'backdoor entry' into a well-known IT Company :-)].
All the Best.
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TS
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I do understand when you mention "......about 'misusing this Forum' I didn't mean to". After all, no one knows everything or does everything right, me included—that's what this Forum is for.
And there's nothing to bar anyone from asking multiple queries in a single posting—especially if they are related [which yours seem to be]. In fact, that would give those responding a chance to give a more well-informed guidance/suggestion.
Coming to your comments "........this is a free forum and I have all 'rights' to ask what I want to ask...".
I suggest you don't ever think along those lines, since that attitude would more than likely take you on a path where the motive/intent veers away from your act—either of asking or doing.
It would be like someone saying: India is a free country, so I have all 'rights' to do what I want to do"—hope you get the meaning and the correlation to what you mentioned.
This Forum is for those who are in a GENUINE NEED for sharing, knowing, and for those who make GENUINE MISTAKES. It is NOT for those who put across queries with the intention to misuse, abuse, or misrepresent. Just look at some of the recent queries and the responses, and you would be able to realize what this means and entails [one member asked brazenly for guidance for 'backdoor entry' into a well-known IT Company :-)].
All the Best.
Regards,
TS
From India, Hyderabad
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I am copying the message which I posted at https://www.citehr.com/345242-senior...uestion-3.html.
May I make a sincere appeal to all. We should not engage in a debate or make statements that would create an exchange of messages going beyond the topic in question. If we have to make critical comments about other bloggers, then we should resort to writing PRIVATE messages or emails. This will help to keep the discussions in the thread free from emotions.
There is a saying in English: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words do not hurt me." If we follow that, then I am sure we will avoid reacting to people's comments.
We all can do with a bit of self-reflection as to why we make critical comments in the first place. Also, there is an old Sanskrit saying which states:
Please tell the TRUTH.
Please say that is PLEASING.
Do not tell the TRUTH if it is UNPLEASANT.
Never tell a LIE just to PLEASE.
I am not perfect as I also violate the principles that I have quoted.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
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May I make a sincere appeal to all. We should not engage in a debate or make statements that would create an exchange of messages going beyond the topic in question. If we have to make critical comments about other bloggers, then we should resort to writing PRIVATE messages or emails. This will help to keep the discussions in the thread free from emotions.
There is a saying in English: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words do not hurt me." If we follow that, then I am sure we will avoid reacting to people's comments.
We all can do with a bit of self-reflection as to why we make critical comments in the first place. Also, there is an old Sanskrit saying which states:
Please tell the TRUTH.
Please say that is PLEASING.
Do not tell the TRUTH if it is UNPLEASANT.
Never tell a LIE just to PLEASE.
I am not perfect as I also violate the principles that I have quoted.
Have a nice day.
Simhan
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I am sorry if none of us answered your second question: "... would that be ok if my package was a bit higher to get a better salary in a new company? Is this a regular practice?"
I do not know the answer, as I have not done a survey. Hence, rather than answer that question, I kindly request you to study sayings at [Honesty Quotes, Sayings about Dishonesty, Lying, Truth](http://www.quotegarden.com/honesty.html) and then tell us do you think IT IS A REGULAR PRACTICE.
Simhan
[i have a question;1599007]I am not trying to "act smart." I had two queries, so I asked them, and about "misusing this Forum," I didn't mean to, but this is a free forum and I have all rights to ask what I want to ask.[/QUOTE]
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I do not know the answer, as I have not done a survey. Hence, rather than answer that question, I kindly request you to study sayings at [Honesty Quotes, Sayings about Dishonesty, Lying, Truth](http://www.quotegarden.com/honesty.html) and then tell us do you think IT IS A REGULAR PRACTICE.
Simhan
[i have a question;1599007]I am not trying to "act smart." I had two queries, so I asked them, and about "misusing this Forum," I didn't mean to, but this is a free forum and I have all rights to ask what I want to ask.[/QUOTE]
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I am sorry if people like Mangesh are allowed to use such forums simply to see their names and remonstrate their RIGHTS. There should be some policy at Citeman to screen such frivolous, publicity-minded queries.
So, Mangesh, here is my response. If you are an HR professional making such an inquiry, you are not cut out for HR. If you are an applicant, then you don't have a future either. There are a lot of people who think they can get away with these sorts of frauds, but when they are caught, they don't know which way to look. I can see that you are young and immature, so get on with life and your career.
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So, Mangesh, here is my response. If you are an HR professional making such an inquiry, you are not cut out for HR. If you are an applicant, then you don't have a future either. There are a lot of people who think they can get away with these sorts of frauds, but when they are caught, they don't know which way to look. I can see that you are young and immature, so get on with life and your career.
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Deciding a new salary based on past salary is an absurd practice in HR business and should be used only for survey purposes and not for benchmarking. When you change the job, your responsibilities, authorities, working environments, cultures... everything changes. The new job salary is the agreed remuneration for the new job based on your utility and potential and has nothing to do with the old package. I believe you should tell them your actual salary but also communicate what you expect. If they find a better candidate at a cheaper cost, they may not ask you, but if they are desperate and you negotiate well, they may agree to pay you even more than your expectations. Ultimately, the new salary is based on a demand-supply equation.
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My suggestion is no, ethically & morally. You are always going to reap what you sow. So, let us speak the truth even if we are disadvantaged. Mr. Samuel Academician
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It is an unethical practice and must not be considered as an option at all. Lying, forgery, etc., will not get you anywhere. Look at the large scams in India. I stop to think that if the "Moral Sciences" we learned in school were effective, these scams would not have occurred in the first place.
Don't cheat or fudge, my friend. It will come back later to bite you. Be honest in your dealings, live a peaceful and happy life.
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Don't cheat or fudge, my friend. It will come back later to bite you. Be honest in your dealings, live a peaceful and happy life.
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Hi all, it's enough now for this poor friend. Let's move to some other reasonable discussion. Thanks to all of you for your valuable suggestions that might be helpful not only to this friend but also to many others like him who wanted to ask such questions but couldn't. Thanks once again.
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Amarjeet Singh Bhangu
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Amarjeet Singh Bhangu
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Dear Mangesh,
There may be two most appropriate options in this regard to address false salary-package statements to a newly entering employer.
1) Cheating the new employer by providing false details may hinder the person's career growth further.
2) In today's global competitive job sector, it is very tough for a person to secure a better pay package at the preliminary stage. Sometimes, employers also overlook low-profile employees for better pay packages, even if the person is talented and an expert in the respective area. Consequently, employees may resort to lying about their salary information.
While this practice may be detrimental to the healthy growth of the job sector or an individual employee, what is crucial is that employers assess the credibility, knowledge, and skills of the person before deciding to hire them for a particular job with a better pay package.
Thanks & Best Regards,
Vikas Ranjan
From India, Bangalore
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There may be two most appropriate options in this regard to address false salary-package statements to a newly entering employer.
1) Cheating the new employer by providing false details may hinder the person's career growth further.
2) In today's global competitive job sector, it is very tough for a person to secure a better pay package at the preliminary stage. Sometimes, employers also overlook low-profile employees for better pay packages, even if the person is talented and an expert in the respective area. Consequently, employees may resort to lying about their salary information.
While this practice may be detrimental to the healthy growth of the job sector or an individual employee, what is crucial is that employers assess the credibility, knowledge, and skills of the person before deciding to hire them for a particular job with a better pay package.
Thanks & Best Regards,
Vikas Ranjan
From India, Bangalore
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It is not advisable to hide, lie, or fudge data to any employer, whether it's salary or any other information. Every organization has policies around hiring and Background Verification checks. Organizations definitely conduct background checks, which cover employment-related proofs (i.e., last designation, year of employment, character/behavior during the service, salary checks, etc.), present or permanent address verification, academic verification, criminal checks, etc.
During background checks, some organizations may not reveal the salary information, but this does not apply to all employers, as there are many other ways to verify these details. My advice is not to fudge any data, be open, and gain expertise to earn good money. I wish you all the best for your future endeavors!
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During background checks, some organizations may not reveal the salary information, but this does not apply to all employers, as there are many other ways to verify these details. My advice is not to fudge any data, be open, and gain expertise to earn good money. I wish you all the best for your future endeavors!
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Dear Mangesh,
Whatever your intentions may be in expressing your thoughts, it is entirely incorrect. Work is worship; why would you want to hide the truth? Anyone can verify pay details through various means such as PF/TDS Returns, IT Returns, your previous boss, etc. Eventually, the truth will come to light, particularly for you if you are falsifying information. Please refrain from following unethical individuals, even if they appear to be helping you, as morally, their actions are wrong. Pay/salary is provided to an individual based on their intellectual/professional expertise, and even if you deceive, your true capabilities will be revealed through your actions. That is the reality.
Money is a desire for everyone, including those born into wealth, employers, and employees alike. However, when building your career, do not resort to deceit. My advice to you is to be honest to uphold your inner confidence.
Best of luck.
VL Prasad
From India, Delhi
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Whatever your intentions may be in expressing your thoughts, it is entirely incorrect. Work is worship; why would you want to hide the truth? Anyone can verify pay details through various means such as PF/TDS Returns, IT Returns, your previous boss, etc. Eventually, the truth will come to light, particularly for you if you are falsifying information. Please refrain from following unethical individuals, even if they appear to be helping you, as morally, their actions are wrong. Pay/salary is provided to an individual based on their intellectual/professional expertise, and even if you deceive, your true capabilities will be revealed through your actions. That is the reality.
Money is a desire for everyone, including those born into wealth, employers, and employees alike. However, when building your career, do not resort to deceit. My advice to you is to be honest to uphold your inner confidence.
Best of luck.
VL Prasad
From India, Delhi
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I'm shocked to have read such a question. More importantly than getting caught, I think this just reflects on your value system. Please understand that as professionals or otherwise, one has to uphold high values of integrity and ethics. As much as I am surprised to note such a query, I am also glad that you thought it appropriate to check. As all of them have mentioned, please tread the path of honesty and do not ever for a moment err on it. All the best.
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